Same team as saturday for England, only exception being Jagielka in for the injured Terry.

I'll go for a comfortable 2-0 victory.

Oh...COME ON MACEDONIA !!!!

3-1 Engerrrrrland

Noveski scores for Macedonia against Scotland (hopefully Jock is too pissed to realise)

Wales losing 3-1 away to Serbia, but Bale has supposed to have scored a wonder free kick.

N Iron beating Luxembourg 1-0.

What exactly does Tom Cleverly do? He's like a wealthier version of Connor Hourihane.

ffs

Ukraine look the better side and could be 3- 1 up.

Cleverly hits the post and could have had a hat-trick.

Steven Gerrard is really shit.

He's terrible positionally and defensively (see goal), has a poor touch, always goes for a 'hollywood' pass when a simpler ball would suffice, and has run out of the spark and goals which made him so good 5-10 years ago.

If Hodgson and Rodgers are serious about getting Liverpool and England ticking as teams who keep the ball, well, they need to get shot.

And he's just been sent off.

Two yellow cards.

In fact, the second one could have been a straight red. Nasty little lunge.

Hopefully a 3 game ban.

Thought we did alright but no better given the team we had out. Pretty even game all in all against a pretty decent team. With Cole, Terry, Rooney, Walcott, Parker and Carroll all missing we are a bit short of options. Not sure why Crouch isn't considered any more.

The misery twins on R5 (Mark Lawrenson and plastic scouser Alan Green) are saying we were dominated by Ukraine, despite the fact that with better finishing we could have had 3 or 4. Not sure what game they were watching.

FTB - Crouch is out of favour because he refused to be on the stand by list for the Euros.

feck the world cup anyway. Who wants to go to Brazil?

So we draw against Serbia. Ok not hood but no disaster if we beat MacDonalds but levein still plays one up front, and he looks like a fuckin paedophile. Get Carl Fletcher in quick before its too late!

Mind you he's a welsh cnut and they lost 99-0 so it's mot all bad.

Mackie set up our goal so do Argyle get a bonus or something? Yeah we're banned from signing Scottish players for 20 years.

Other than that it was a pleasant evening.

why do people get worked up about england, what you saw tonight was the standard we are at right now.

we cant play much better than that

As the score line suggests we are (with the players available last night) on a par with a decent Ukraine side, however I won't be rushing to the bookies to weigh heavy on us winning the world cup, we don't have that superstar who can turn a game.

I am sure when the next FIFA rankings are announced England will rise another place after that display

I am sure with the dross we have been pitted against in our group, about the easiest group we could have had we could well be number 2 in the rankings by the end of qualifying. I read an article in the paper yesterday which showed that in actual tournaments proper over the past 50 years we are the 23rd most succesful team which is a bit nearer the truth.
Likewise Serena Williams with 15 grand slam singles against 1 and career wins of 9 out of 10 against Azarenka who she beat in the US Open final is ranked 4th compared to her opponents 1 ranking. The ranking systems are far from perfect.

I dont see us getting out of this group, i dont think we will go to ukraine or poland and a result

England will qualify from this group but it wont be a walkover like so many on /facebook and even the new one tout! seem to think.

Last night the ref was poor but England were too at points getting a point. Sooner Carroll, Rooney and co are back the better.

To be honest I don't think the absentees, 4 probably who would have been in the starting eleven would have made that much difference. I agree we will qualify and don't think we will lose a game in doing so, but again it's a qualifying group against mediocre and poor opposition so nothing less would be acceptable, our problems begin when the competition proper begins in Rio. As for Rooney and Carroll, one is in his 24th year and has never managed to nail down a starting place in the premier league with a top club, the other good as he is for United has done nothing in the past few years in an England shirt to warrant anyone saying his absence is crucial.