Open supporter meeting with James Brent, 15th September

Nick Wall wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Nick Wall wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Nick Wall wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

He's like a frikkin politician with his answers. We've seen the Q&A transcripts .

Listen to what the fine gentleman wants you to believe and be good Avivas.

That very well may be Tring however firstly this is an open meeting with no pre-set questions. Anyone can simply stand up and question the owner.

The jury is out for me on Brent. We've been scorched too often in the past to believe we are in the presence of the messiah but owners of other football clubs do not afford their supporters this opportunity. Freathy, Grovey and others have their points of view and occasionally Wink

they are argued very eloquently. As they are long standing supporters of this club who feel disenfranchised by the current ownership and investment model what a great opportunity to show JB that there is another way.

Secondly Punchy was arguing for a protest yesterday which a few supported, even if just in principle because they stopped going years ago. In most disputes the answer is some form of dialogue and rather than less than a dozen be knocked off the gate by Punchy's no-show and ATD campaign why not bring his grievances to the meeting and explain why he will not spend a penny more at Argyle until JB has gone.

I'm not asking anyone to look into his eyes. If you want this club to prosper and you feel that JB is being badly advised, is an asset stripper or is just plainly wrong - go tell him.

He knows. The top brass, including PJ do look at this forum. They call it internet forum wars and refuse to discuss it.

They have missed the point. It is not a forum war, it is an increasing if still relatively small number of dissidents, who are totally pi$$ed off with the Pasoti Politburo and the likes of Webb n Nool having influence at the club.
Their track record of grovelling compliance, in return for position at HP is what we take issue with. Newell himself has consistently got it wrong with Stapes, Holloway, Todd, Mackie etc etc etc. His internet bullying and obsessive hoarding of material on his flickr pages is further condemnation.
Brent won't talk about those issues. They're mates................ yeah whatever, they're his jamboys.

So it's not about the club prospering it's about Ian Newell and Chris Webb. So if JB maintained his current budget and CF was still in charge but he dismissed Ian and Chris you'd be happy? Even better if he banned PASOTI from the club...?

One of the characteristics of "village behaviour" along with shagging your cousin are petty feuds when set against the bigger picture.

I thought your argument was better than that Tringy.

I was well aware of the bigger picture a very long time ago. It has now become a lot worse , as those incapable of seeing it are advising an owner who appears intent on running the club on the cheap. If by some miracle it works, he will cash in personally but it won't. These mugs backed his bid because he offered them silly hats n titles. It is just so obvious.

Any 'owner' who calls that pair of scheming dimwits friends and listens to them, is either taking the pi$$ out of the fanbase, or is a fool in footballing terms. It goes without saying that as he 'believes' in Fletch, he must have been advised as he knows , by his own admission, f*ck all about football.
All the spin in the world from Brent and Webb will not attract any but the already hooked on bucket rattling and Dave Banana. The wider public will only be interested when the team starts looking like it is going places under an inspirational manager, not a tongue tied player.
Sadly for Brent he'll have to put his hand in his pocket to get the ball rolling[instead of flying through the air], so to speak.
Unless Nikk decides to pay Rolling Eyes

Newell's boast was that there would be no walleted directors. Someone has to invest, or what support is left will dwindle away as their pockets are emptied for another season, to endure the worst standard of football in the club's history, whilst paying off the banker's debts to staff.
It looks to me like a tight banker is allowing the lunatics to take over the asylum. It simply will not work and the club's village image will be further enhanced.
Geddon janner. Rolling Eyes

Fine, I understand your argument (I think). You think James Brent needs to understand that the average football supporter parts with £20 every other week to watch a winning, and hopefully entertaining, football team, not happy-clappy side shows such as FV and Fansfests. I agree with you.

You think he either needs to dip into his own resources or share some of that burden with others, particularly if he plans to sell the club if we ever make the CCC again for a huge profit.

You also think that his inner circle is misguided and he's either stupid (I doubt that) or he's being convinced by IJN and CW to keep with CF and maintain the current level of funding.

Your argument has some weight as does the current debate on PASOTI about when the argument "be thankful that we have a club to support" should not be used anymore. The answer surely is to let JB know, and this forum of an open meeting is a great opportunity to do that. Even if they wished IJN and CW cannot neutralise an open meeting organised by the Trust.

What I cannot square with your circle is yours (and Freathy's et al's) support of the club with the reticence to want to address these issues with the decision makers. Why allow JB to be educated by people who you disagree with?

Nick, had I not left the Plymouth area decades ago, I would probably be like Greenskin and turn up out of habit every game. He sees things relating to the club largely the same as me and has tried so hard to get his point across on Pasoti. The restraint he has shown is far beyond me.
Maybe people like him should go along but do you really think one question, probably deflected, will make any difference ?
People have written to Brent and the club, usually without response and I believe another ATD 'er is writing an open letter to the Herald.

We believe that at least one of the top brass at HP monitors this site, why wouldn't they ?
They know how an increasing number of people feel, yet still they allow someone like Peggy to be bullied out of the club.

I fear the dye is cast for the next few years and unless there are changes, the football club will cement its place in the bottom half of the 4th tier of English football, at best.

Do you really want to have to witness that and 'sing yer artout fer the lads !' ? That to me is totally village and embarrassing.

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Maybe they can answer the question of why Newell gets in the director's box when he's just a normal fan like everyone else..........unless of course he isn't.

Why was Cobi Budge told by Webb that he has nothing to do with the PASB board yet every president's propaganda weekly briefing we get told about it, if he isn't anything to do with it he should've told Cobi who was.

The juicy questions won't get answered especially if it's know the poster comes from ATD, they'll be deflected or the old "confidentiality" line will get spouted out.

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Webb out. Larrieu for president.

I am attending a Medi Conference in Plymouth on the 15th during the morning, I am open and I am a supporter (not of Argyle though)...should I pop along with my City shirt on

Yes they will think you are a Citybus driver.

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I'll be there

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I don't need to go, have been to a couple of previous ones, have no doubt Brent's script will say "we have a fantastic fanbase", "Carl and Ro are doing a great job" and "a city this size should have a team back in the championship". Yawn, yawn ... won't be going to the love in or the match, crikey there's even a few doubters about the value of it on PASOTI. so it's not only me that's a heretic.

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pepsipete wrote:

Yes they will think you are mentally disabled.

I fixed that for you Pete.

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Renegade wrote:

I'll be there

Not for me, The Cherry Tree was enough; I only went to that one to see all freaks and weirdo’s, Smile

Peggy was nice

hairy j wrote:

pepsipete wrote:

Yes they will think you are mentally disabled.

I fixed that for you Pete.

Hairy, I would fit right in then. Very Happy

You will be able to spot me, I will be wearing a suit, hair cut, well groomed, clean shoes....and not even a court day.

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So apart from Renegade, who else is going tomorrow? I'll be popping up there, partly to show my support for the Trust Board, and partly in the hope that I get to ask an impertinent question or two.

Anyone else?

Unfortunately work has, once again, had the audacity to interfere with my Saturday plans. I would have gone even though I don't need to go to know the reassuring platitudes that will be uttered and the smoothing of the waters that will take place.

Have 1 (or 3) for me at the CT, Andy. And keep the ale campaign up!! That's far more important.

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Any news from this one? Anything new? Any first in football coming up? Decent attendance?

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Between 60 & 70 people.
Not a bad turn-out for a lovely sunny day.

I believe James Brent regaled the masses with humorous tales of how little he knows about football.

Then Carl Fletcher did the same except it wasn't funny.

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I don't know who the young lads were behind me but they asked some pointed questions - particularly to Mr Brent's legacy being stripping the club of its asset of development land vs leaving us with Warren Feeney.

I had trouble hearing. I could blame Messrs Brent, Jones and Holliday but I certainly didn't help by choosing not to bring my hearing aids. But a very few notes:

Carl Fletcher has not fully spent his budget for this eason

There will be consultations on the grandstand before the end of this year and it's hoped to start building during next Summer

There was much emphasis on not looking at the present situation both on & off the pitch. It's a slow build for the future that is important.

Peter Jones was asked directly what enables him to support the present owners where he chose not to do so with the previous. His reply was that he feels the present owners have an absolute commitment to development for the future whereas the previous group talked the talk and that's all.

JB related that he had a successful Rugby Club (didn't hear which one) described to him as a successful club attached to a successful conferencing and hospitality business. (NB although containing important message about how a club may be financed, it was also said with humour.)

He compared the situation he envisages for Argyle with a club (Fleetwood was mentioned) where the sugar-daddy falls under the metaphorical bus to the situation he hopes to achieve here where if he were to die or step down there would be in place an efficient infrastructure that would not demand the whims of a rich owner who, in turn, could disappear at any time.

Again, I thought the message in general was a good one. Is it an ideal situation? No! But it's what we have. I remain of the view that if he manages to pull off the feat of creating a club based on "Integrity, Honesty & Financial Stability" he should go down in history.

In conversation during the meeting and after with Peter Jones, for the first time I saw the rationale behind their stance on PASB. I still disagree. The main thought appeared to be that simply extending a recognition of the fans' voice solely to those who pay £10 membership to join the Trust was not democratic. I don't think that by excluding, by definition, POTD or the diaspora you achieve a significantly improved democratic process. However, they could not have made it more clear that if the Trust was the main or sole voice on the PASB or if the two separate bodies decide to amalgamate in the future, they would have no problem with this at all.

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Thanks for the response and taking the time Knecht. I think the rugby club would have Exeter he's talked about them before.

I can't agree either with the rationale for the GasBoard and it's even more daft if they think, and have no objection, to a merger taking place. Complete waste of time. I've repeated ad naseaum a method that would involve increased fan representation via the Trust. But then Im not a professor.

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ATD was notable by it's absence (being mere keyboard warriors or having more sense?) bar two noble representatives though I did chat with two people who were regular readers. I wonder how many of the others in the room fell into that category?

"There was much emphasis on not looking at the present situation both on & off the pitch"

I'll bet there was Evil or Very Mad

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Charlie Wood wrote:

"There was much emphasis on not looking at the present situation both on & off the pitch"

I'll bet there was Evil or Very Mad

The sentence after that was also emphasised. They talked about the structural developments as well as the signings that Fletcher is trying to make. It was clearly said that he could have bought some gnarled old pros who could have done a job in the short term but the desire is for the club to build from the bottom (which is where we are). Reference was made to the redevelopment of the youth policy with< i think, the recognition that realistically that could also contribute to income generation.

For me, the problem is that if we don't also focus on the short term we will, at best bumble along where we are - ie just above relegation - for the foreseeable future. Rightly or wrongly, football supporters are an impatient lot and they will soon turn if the results and the performances don't improve.

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knecht wrote:

The sentence after that was also emphasised. They talked about the structural developments as well as the signings that Fletcher is trying to make. It was clearly said that he could have bought some gnarled old pros who could have done a job in the short term but the desire is for the club to build from the bottom (which is where we are). Reference was made to the redevelopment of the youth policy with< i think, the recognition that realistically that could also contribute to income generation.

For me, the problem is that if we don't also focus on the short term we will, at best bumble along where we are - ie just above relegation - for the foreseeable future. Rightly or wrongly, football supporters are an impatient lot and they will soon turn if the results and the performances don't improve.

Thanks for the info, Knecht!

My heart sank the more I read...

Football is all about here and now. Success in the short term is the greatest impetus to success in the long term.

I would like to hear more about the 'structural devopments', in what sense was that term used?

I wish he had brought some gnarled old pros to the club - that's what the team needs.

The youth policy realistically add to future income? That would be a first for this club wouldn't it?

This 'look to the future it's more important' rhetoric...

I don't know.... It all seems fiddling whilst Rome is burning.

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The youth policy is interesting. We've had Kevin Hodges riding his bike to raise funds. Nikkkk dipping into his piggy bank again to sponsor a couple of the teams. And the coaches (if I remember) being taken off payroll and put on self employed status (or zero hours contracts maybe?).

What level of youth academy have Argyle gone for?

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Sorry, I was typing in a hurry & tired ..... by 'structural developments' I meant the new grandstand. He talked about 'bars' (plural) and conference facilities generating a good income.

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Interesting (or maybe not?) that an open supporters meeting with JB, is used by some on the farm to bash the trust for not advertising it and so far, not one report of the meeting.

ATD leads the way with ace reporter Knecht and of course ATD's Robbie Williams Smile

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The meeting was advertised by handing out tons of leaflets at the previous home match. It was up on the Trust web-site and was posted on ATD and pasoti. A reminder e-mail was also sent out to members.

What more could have been done?!

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knecht wrote:

The meeting was advertised by handing out tons of leaflets at the previous home match. It was up on the Trust web-site and was posted on ATD and pasoti. A reminder e-mail was also sent out to members.

What more could have been done?!

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