Handbags over the PASB

Subject: Re: Handbags over the PASB Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:02 am

Wasn't there supposed to be an announcement on the election process last week? Seems like the company responsible for the election can't even be assed with it.

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Whose idea was the PASB?

The delay is down to the Electoral Commission who will be running the election.

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Webb, Brent, the GT's, Newell, the Uni bloke, who knows...it's one of life's great secrets!

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GOB wrote:

Webb, Brent, the GT's, Newell, the Uni bloke, who knows...it's one of life's great secrets!

Its also one of the biggest wastes of time ever. All the club needs is the trust a legitimate fans group not a manufactured one via the club.

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Be interesting when the hustings begin. Would spying on a follow supporter be enough to put off fans for voting for a candidate. Would they fail a fit and proper test? Would the club veto or bar such a person for taking their place on the GasBoard.

Guess it's easy to brush such matters under the carpet. See no Evil Hear no Evil Speak no Evil. Chimps.

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I'm not sure how the club couldn't have handled doing this themselves - it really isn't that difficult to do and it's not like we're talking big figures in terms of the potential electorate. One reply to that would be integrity - if the club did it, you could easily accuse them of a fix or inflating the figures (NOT THAT THEY'D DO THAT). Surely though, to create a voluntary body like this, the election process wouldn't have to be as stringent as a parliamentary election.

Having said that, I'm not sure why the club are doing this at all.

I genuinely cannot wait to see this fall flat on its face as its just unnecessary considering we already have a Trust - that's been said by many people.

I'll be amazed if this costs less than £20k a year to run too and that just seems an utter waste of money. All of that though is up in the air as apparently, things like running costs are going to be a PASB matter.

There's so much wrong with this thing that I honestly haven't got the time or energy to compose a proper post about it.

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We will only get a feel for the GasBoard once it comes into conflict with Brent or his emissary on earth El Prez. Did anyone but the most sycophants of sycophants agree with the placement of the new family area? If the GasBoard was in place how would they have handled it? Represented the fans views? How would Brent deal with that? How would the GasBoard deal with injustice of a fans piece being removed from the club programme? Would they seek demand or get the facts? How would they report back? Two very real very important scenarios.

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hairy j wrote:

I'll be amazed if this costs less than £20k a year to run too and that just seems an utter waste of money. All of that though is up in the air as apparently, things like running costs are going to be a PASB matter.

The cost to run it depends what it does. The running cost of the Trust with over 1,300 members can easily be £10,000, again depending exactly on what we do, and how much we need to post out in particular.

The Trust elections require a postal ballot, for which we include a pre-paid envelope. It would be interesting to know how much the ERS is charging for the PASB election.

There are a number of Trust candidates standing, including two Trust board members, and our main financial advisor.

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Tim Chown wrote:

hairy j wrote:

I'll be amazed if this costs less than £20k a year to run too and that just seems an utter waste of money. All of that though is up in the air as apparently, things like running costs are going to be a PASB matter.

The cost to run it depends what it does.

That's the 64 million dollar question. So nobody knows what it will cost, which surprises me as everyone keeps bangig on about what an astute man Brent is. Surely he would have costed this? Can't help thinking that the trust should have taken its gloves off when it had the chance, it had nothing to lose as its been hopelessly marginalised by Brent and his hatchetmen. As it is I can't be bothered with any of it, we're stuck in the bottom division for the foreseeable future, i don't really care which self promoter wants to 'represent' the fanbase.

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One way to vote to register opinion of the process.

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I prefer the ABC option - Anyone But Cholwell

Subject: Re: Handbags over the PASB Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:31 pm

Andy_Symons wrote:

I prefer the ABC option - Anyone But Cholwell

I'm with you on this one Andy Very Happy

Mind you the None of the above party interests me as well, with apologies to Jon B obviously.

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Agreed. Showed is true colours by first posting on here to garner support then when the heat was on went running back to the ample bosom of his 'real' life mates be it in the directors box or on the terraces of meaningless friendlies. He should be a busted flush if he can't or won't answer question on the PI affair.

Subject: Re: Handbags over the PASB Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:40 pm

If you are not a Trust Member then I won't be voting for you.

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Bogsider wrote:

Tim Chown wrote:

hairy j wrote:

I'll be amazed if this costs less than £20k a year to run too and that just seems an utter waste of money. All of that though is up in the air as apparently, things like running costs are going to be a PASB matter.

The cost to run it depends what it does.

That's the 64 million dollar question. So nobody knows what it will cost, which surprises me as everyone keeps bangig on about what an astute man Brent is. Surely he would have costed this? Can't help thinking that the trust should have taken its gloves off when it had the chance, it had nothing to lose as its been hopelessly marginalised by Brent and his hatchetmen. As it is I can't be bothered with any of it, we're stuck in the bottom division for the foreseeable future, i don't really care which self promoter wants to 'represent' the fanbase.

Charity auctions in aid of the PASB?

Subject: Re: Handbags over the PASB Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:32 pm

hairy j wrote:

Bogsider wrote:

Tim Chown wrote:

hairy j wrote:

I'll be amazed if this costs less than £20k a year to run too and that just seems an utter waste of money. All of that though is up in the air as apparently, things like running costs are going to be a PASB matter.

The cost to run it depends what it does.

That's the 64 million dollar question. So nobody knows what it will cost, which surprises me as everyone keeps bangig on about what an astute man Brent is. Surely he would have costed this? Can't help thinking that the trust should have taken its gloves off when it had the chance, it had nothing to lose as its been hopelessly marginalised by Brent and his hatchetmen. As it is I can't be bothered with any of it, we're stuck in the bottom division for the foreseeable future, i don't really care which self promoter wants to 'represent' the fanbase.

Charity auctions in aid of the PASB?

Now that may have been said in jest but I wouldn't rule it out entirely.

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Election is going to cost at least £5k by my reckoning. They'll have at least a monthly meeting and that should incur expenses (completely acceptable) like travel. Meetings will create costs of some description whether it's room hire or minutes/agendas or refreshments and they'll need some form of staff to deal with communications and administration - £3k estimates based upon a 1/4 time office temp. They'll need some form of admin system set up to begin with including things like stationery, PCs, software etc. and they will need to spend money on advertising what they do over many forms of media.

I was involved with setting up a small service area a number of years ago and taking wages out of the equation as none of these people will be paid, it cost around £8k to set the whole thing up and it had ongoing running costs.

I'd put a figure of £20k for the first year and then £15k per annum ongoing and that's doing it on the bare essentials.

I asked what the annual budget will be and got this response.

http://pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=69851

Mr President wrote:

Haven't got a clue, hairy.

I would imagine that's something for the board once in place and the Club to agree.

http://www.pafc.co.uk/news/article/presidents-progess-2308-331057.aspx

It was supposed to start now - it is still early September though to be fair.

Now we have 9 people for 6 places.

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