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Some not very happy fans, and rightly so

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Some not very happy fans, and rightly so

Should have followed Argyle fans and trusted in Stapes

They've risked everything trying to get promoted and they're still trying. That's why they now get 20 k crowds.

Whereas we didn't even go for it and still went bust

There seems to be an ever increasing, meek acceptance of our lot. Sustainable growth, utter mediocrity, any half decent players/staff move on as soon as they gain any recognition. Inspiring innit ?
There will always be the largely dull 5k faithful, with their self appointed leaders driving them on and wearing the silly hats presented by Brent Sahib.

So, so village.

Living the dream in our eyes is signing Paterson and Chris Clark.

Not sure how I feel about Cardiff, I'm sure if I was a Swansea fan I would be delighted. But we've been down this expanding the clubs appeal in international markets route before. There simply aren't hundreds and thousands of Malaysians just waiting to support Cardiff, thinking this way is patronising.

Tringreen wrote:

Block3Green wrote:

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Some not very happy fans, and rightly so

Should have followed Argyle fans and trusted in Stapes

They've risked everything trying to get promoted and they're still trying. That's why they now get 20 k crowds.

Whereas we didn't even go for it and still went bust

There seems to be an ever increasing, meek acceptance of our lot. Sustainable growth, utter mediocrity, any half decent players/staff move on as soon as they gain any recognition. Inspiring innit ?
There will always be the largely dull 5k faithful, with their self appointed leaders driving them on and wearing the silly hats presented by Brent Sahib.

So, so village.

Oh they have gone for it ok.
Here's an extract from their directors report.

The document shows the club has almost £70m in debt on its books – an increase of £6m on the previous year – £40m of which is “due within one year”. The accounts don’t cover the current season under manager Malky Mackay, but Mr Whiteley said the Malaysian investors had continued to invest in the playing squad as they pushed for promotion.

If we had gone for it we could have been playing in red and white stripes next year as a feeder club to our cousins up the road.
Still at least we have got silly hats hats to wear and self appointed leaders to carry us through the hard times ahead. Up the dull 5k !!!!!
Great innit?

Tringreen wrote:

Block3Green wrote:

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Some not very happy fans, and rightly so

Should have followed Argyle fans and trusted in Stapes

They've risked everything trying to get promoted and they're still trying. That's why they now get 20 k crowds.

Whereas we didn't even go for it and still went bust

There seems to be an ever increasing, meek acceptance of our lot. Sustainable growth, utter mediocrity, any half decent players/staff move on as soon as they gain any recognition. Inspiring innit ?
There will always be the largely dull 5k faithful, with their self appointed leaders driving them on and wearing the silly hats presented by Brent Sahib.

So, so village.

So basicly your saying its great that Cardif are 70 million an debt and all they got to show for it was an FA Cup final appearance, and thats good, thats a very expensive day out.

If it wasnt for the owners they would be bust, FACT, and could still go bust, 40 million to repay in a year, Sam Hamman not backing down about his money!, great stuff

But at least they went for it

We may live in a village, but i think your the idiot

Cardiff will be competing at the top of the Championship next season and we'll be 'competing' at the bottom of L2. It's only a matter of time before they enjoy at least a season or two in the big time. Their fans will get used to change of colours soon enough.

Cardiff has been a gamble waiting to explode for some years now, right from when Sammy boy's debts were rescheduled by guess who.... and a time bomb waiting to explode.
A club of their size, no bigger than Argyle, building a new stadium like that and paying the wages of the likes of Bellamy ? .... too right they're in trouble considering their gamble has failed. Without promotion next season, will Cardiff be the first 'provincial' club considered too big to fail by it's local government ... they're a capital city, after all... it will be fascinating to see how this one develops. Of course the 'Welsh capital city' card is just the latest New World Order waiting to happen ... just another car crash around the corner
What's the betting at the back of all this is the first salvo in getting creditors to accept rescheduling once again .... football finance is as bad as the western Banking crisis that in the end is bound to blow up.
Ridsdale's comment at Leeds/cardiff ? of "well, they enjoyed it" was possibly THE statement that turned me off professional football and it's new breed of financial tricksters... far worse than any of the old mill owners. No, you enjoyed it Pete, you did... and in more ways than one.

Don't agree wih that at all. If a club owes enough money it's usually in everyones interest to keep the carcass on a life support so that lawyers and administrators can squeeze more cash out of it. Yet the same old suspects, trot out the same old anti-going-for-it argument, blithely ignoring historical precedent and remain unrepentant and unapologetic as they sidle up to the next bandwagon in town. Completely ignoring the FACT that they are a bigger part of the problem than the solution.

At least they'll now be playing in a real & proper colour

Colour and it's philosophy has interested me for years.
Red, blue or white, it makes no difference up in this part of the planet, you're all cut from the same spiritual colours.
Green is where it's at .... and black. You just scrape in Sandy with your shorts.

I don't quite see that Cardiff City is a club of Argyle's size. Firstly they have been in the top division, albeit a long time ago, finishing runners-up on one occasion. They've won the FA Cup (again ages ago) and they've been in two major finals in the last 5 years. The city is bigger and it is a thriving place, especially since the creation of the Welsh Assembly. It hosts some very big sporting events, including international rugby and football matches. When I've been in Cardiff, I felt that it was an outward looking, buzzing place with a real culture of sport. I didn't feel that once in 20 years in Plymouth.

Freathy wrote:

Cardiff will be competing at the top of the Championship next season and we'll be 'competing' at the bottom of L2. It's only a matter of time before they enjoy at least a season or two in the big time. Their fans will get used to change of colours soon enough.

That raises an interesting conundrum, just how far would people go if we could become successful? Premiership football for Devon Argyle? Playing in South Brent with a red and white strip? Does heritage matter over success?

......changing our awat strip to orange

fridgey wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Cardiff will be competing at the top of the Championship next season and we'll be 'competing' at the bottom of L2. It's only a matter of time before they enjoy at least a season or two in the big time. Their fans will get used to change of colours soon enough.

That raises an interesting conundrum, just how far would people go if we could become successful? Premiership football for Devon Argyle? Playing in South Brent with a red and white strip? Does heritage matter over success?

This is the trouble. The likes of Ridsdale or Todd see only immediate success in thier own concocted formula as the way forward. Unlikely clubs have still made it to the top withouth selling their souls. These people are force feeders, the equivalent of forcing rhubarb, with it's inevitable early demise... it's just one way to give it a go, and no more likely to succeed than an Ipswich or Charlton. Blackpool was a very good example of a club that got taken on a ride by a vision and ccamaraderie that we know holloway can instill .... with a budget less than that at Argyle at the time.

I believe the Devon Argyle thing was something that definitely went through the rather vacuuous head of Toddy as an ultimate biproduct of the Devon and cornwall world cup bid. Still, given his Insider creation, I would say he knows jack shit about football and it's followers that pay money to watch it live.

I have much sympathy with Cardiff fans here. Changing from blue to red and bluebirds to the red dragon (Wrexham?) is just wrong. Hoping to sell shirts in Malaysia (or in Tan's case "red is lucky")?, bollox. Cardiff is big enough on its own merit to sell enough merchandise and attract enough supporters through the turnstiles, probably bigger underachievers than us. The money that has been promised wont go on players, they'll need to change those 20k+ blue seats for starters. It's all about Mr Ego getting his own way in a foreign country. I hope the Cardiff supporters stay strong and feck him off.

Freathy wrote:

Their fans will get used to change of colours soon enough.

Christ alive, Freathy! Changing the club's colours at the whim of a foreign investor... surely some things are more important?

gasser9 wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Block3Green wrote:

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Some not very happy fans, and rightly so

Should have followed Argyle fans and trusted in Stapes

They've risked everything trying to get promoted and they're still trying. That's why they now get 20 k crowds.

Whereas we didn't even go for it and still went bust

There seems to be an ever increasing, meek acceptance of our lot. Sustainable growth, utter mediocrity, any half decent players/staff move on as soon as they gain any recognition. Inspiring innit ?
There will always be the largely dull 5k faithful, with their self appointed leaders driving them on and wearing the silly hats presented by Brent Sahib.

So, so village.

Oh they have gone for it ok.
Here's an extract from their directors report.

The document shows the club has almost £70m in debt on its books – an increase of £6m on the previous year – £40m of which is “due within one year”. The accounts don’t cover the current season under manager Malky Mackay, but Mr Whiteley said the Malaysian investors had continued to invest in the playing squad as they pushed for promotion.

If we had gone for it we could have been playing in red and white stripes next year as a feeder club to our cousins up the road.
Still at least we have got silly hats hats to wear and self appointed leaders to carry us through the hard times ahead. Up the dull 5k !!!!!
Great innit?

If you're dull, yes.

125+1 wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Block3Green wrote:

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Some not very happy fans, and rightly so

Should have followed Argyle fans and trusted in Stapes

They've risked everything trying to get promoted and they're still trying. That's why they now get 20 k crowds.

Whereas we didn't even go for it and still went bust

There seems to be an ever increasing, meek acceptance of our lot. Sustainable growth, utter mediocrity, any half decent players/staff move on as soon as they gain any recognition. Inspiring innit ?
There will always be the largely dull 5k faithful, with their self appointed leaders driving them on and wearing the silly hats presented by Brent Sahib.

So, so village.

So basicly your saying its great that Cardif are 70 million an debt and all they got to show for it was an FA Cup final appearance, and thats good, thats a very expensive day out.

If it wasnt for the owners they would be bust, FACT, and could still go bust, 40 million to repay in a year, Sam Hamman not backing down about his money!, great stuff

But at least they went for it

We may live in a village, but i think your the idiot

Being 'Village', is a state of mind. You have it in abundance.

125+1 wrote:

Tringreen wrote:

Block3Green wrote:

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Some not very happy fans, and rightly so

Should have followed Argyle fans and trusted in Stapes

They've risked everything trying to get promoted and they're still trying. That's why they now get 20 k crowds.

Whereas we didn't even go for it and still went bust

There seems to be an ever increasing, meek acceptance of our lot. Sustainable growth, utter mediocrity, any half decent players/staff move on as soon as they gain any recognition. Inspiring innit ?
There will always be the largely dull 5k faithful, with their self appointed leaders driving them on and wearing the silly hats presented by Brent Sahib.

So, so village.

So basicly your saying its great that Cardif are 70 million an debt and all they got to show for it was an FA Cup final appearance, and thats good, thats a very expensive day out.

If it wasnt for the owners they would be bust, FACT, and could still go bust, 40 million to repay in a year, Sam Hamman not backing down about his money!, great stuff

But at least they went for it

We may live in a village, but i think your the idiot

Amen to that last comment!

125+1 wrote:

If it wasnt for the owners they would be bust, FACT

Thanks for the heads up, I've been liquidated a dozen times already.

Can't believe some of the comments on this thread (Tringreen and Freathy really)

Have the last 18 months just completely passed you by?

You aren't Argyle supporters.

pilgrim_pete wrote:

Can't believe some of the comments on this thread (Tringreen and Freathy really)

Have the last 18 months just completely passed you by?

You aren't Argyle supporters.

To be fair, Cardiff's debts haven't all been 'football' related. Neither were our debts.

pilgrim_pete wrote:

Can't believe some of the comments on this thread (Tringreen and Freathy really)

Have the last 18 months just completely passed you by?

You aren't Argyle supporters.

They certainly haven't 'passed us by', we predicted them ffs !

After 50 years of following Argyle, the last half dozen have indeed, just about finished me off.

The lunatics are now helping to run the eternal lower league asylum. Look how far we've come

Enjoy the ride.

does a debt on a football club really matter, none of the creditors EVER get paid back?

and the clubs just carry on as normal, so why not go for it and sod the consequences.

in fact, a good mantra for life.

sod your bank, live life like youll die tomorrow