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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Implosion    Labour Party Implosion  - Page 2 EmptyTue Feb 19, 2019 11:23 pm

8 Now I hear.

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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Implosion    Labour Party Implosion  - Page 2 EmptyTue Feb 19, 2019 11:43 pm

Joan Ryan has become the eighth Labour MP to quit the party in the past 48 hours, citing its tolerance of a "culture of anti-Jewish racism".

The Enfield North MP said she was "horrified, appalled and angered" by Labour's failure to tackle anti-Semitism, saying its leadership allowed "Jews to be abused with impunity".

Ms Ryan said she did not believe Jeremy Corbyn was fit to lead the country.

Seven other MPs quit on Monday to form the Independent Group in Parliament.

There is mounting speculation that a number of Conservative MPs disillusioned with the government's policy on Brexit could join forces with them.


BBC Newsnight's political editor Nick Watt said Conservative whips were reporting three MPs - Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Anna Soubry - had gone "very, very silent".
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Implosion    Labour Party Implosion  - Page 2 EmptyWed Feb 20, 2019 6:59 am

Whilst it’s indeed admirable that these eight have made a stand against an institutionally anti-Semitic  Corbyn-led Labour Party, deep down they’re politicians. What do politicians do as a number 1 priority? They look out for number 1.

These eight know full well that regardless of who leads the Tories, the chances of the country backing a Corbyn-led Labour Party to victory in a general election are pretty slim. If at some point Labour can produce a credible electable Leader, they’ll no doubt fall back into the fold.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Implosion    Labour Party Implosion  - Page 2 EmptyWed Feb 20, 2019 7:24 am

Looking out for No1 doesn't mean that at the next election you lose your seat...most of these constituencies have big Labour majorities and the rank and file voter will just vote the usual way....no I think they have all voted with their hearts and some seemed quite emotional when speaking.

Chuka Umunna for instance had been pencilled in as a future leader of the party....that now surely has flown out the window.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Implosion    Labour Party Implosion  - Page 2 EmptyWed Feb 20, 2019 7:32 am

zyph wrote:
Looking out for No1 doesn't mean that at the next election you lose your seat...most of these constituencies have big Labour majorities and the rank and file voter will just vote the usual way....no I think they have all voted with their hearts and some seemed quite emotional when speaking.

Chuka Umunna for instance had been pencilled in as a future leader of the party....that now surely has flown out the window.

There’s a decent chance they’ll keep their seat as an Independent if they had a big majority last time round. Especially as they are publicly being seen to stand up to anti-semitism and racism.

To spell it out, the bigger picture for these is to oust Corbyn and try and get the party an electable Leader. Keeping their parliamentary seats as perrenial opposition MP’s isn’t palatable in the long term.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Implosion    Labour Party Implosion  - Page 2 EmptyWed Feb 20, 2019 8:58 am

I literally have no idea who I'd vote for if there was an election tomorrow, they're all horrific. Brexit has certainly sorted the wheat from the chaff when it comes to the cosy politix club that is Westminster. The main problem is that they're all chaff fcal.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Implosion    Labour Party Implosion  - Page 2 EmptyWed Feb 20, 2019 9:28 am

Maybe Derek Hatton is being groomed to take the Labour Party further into the abyss.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Implosion    Labour Party Implosion  - Page 2 EmptyWed Feb 20, 2019 10:26 am

PatDunne wrote:
Joan Ryan has become the eighth Labour MP to quit the party in the past 48 hours, citing its tolerance of a "culture of anti-Jewish racism".

The Enfield North MP said she was "horrified, appalled and angered" by Labour's failure to tackle anti-Semitism, saying its leadership allowed "Jews to be abused with impunity".

Ms Ryan said she did not believe Jeremy Corbyn was fit to lead the country.

Seven other MPs quit on Monday to form the Independent Group in Parliament.

There is mounting speculation that a number of Conservative MPs disillusioned with the government's policy on Brexit could join forces with them.


BBC Newsnight's political editor Nick Watt said Conservative whips were reporting three MPs - Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Anna Soubry - had gone "very, very silent".

Isn't Sarah Woolaston the Totnes MP? If so she has just been put up for deselection from the Tory party at the next election because a group of her constituents are reporting her for not representing her constituents over Brexit. Jumping before she's pushed? If this is any indication then the gang of eight could become the gang of three hundred.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Implosion    Labour Party Implosion  - Page 2 EmptyWed Feb 20, 2019 10:32 am

The net result of all this will be to splinter British politics even further. One of the main aims of this group is to campaign on a people's vote platform putting them wildly at odds with many core Labour voters. We need to get Brexit out of the way then we need some proper principled politicians who really back the disaffected portion of the country without being in the pockets of the institutions of the country. As others have stated with all politicians in it for he selves that day is a long way away.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Implosion    Labour Party Implosion  - Page 2 EmptyWed Feb 20, 2019 1:37 pm

Allen, Soubry and Woolaston resign from the Tory party. Leaves May with a majority of nine.

Mark D'Arsey wrote this for the Beeb.

"Well that was a bit bizarre.

PMQs today had the air of a middle class dinner party where everyone was trying to pretend that some gargantuan social faux pas had not occurred.

All eleven members of the new Independent Group – eight ex-Labour MPs and three ex-Conservatives were gathered at their new roosting point, behind the SNP and the Lib Dems, and alongside the DUP – but their presence remained unremarked, until a parenthetical reference from the Lib Dem, Tom Brake.

No-one snarled. No-one cooed. A few MPs actually ventured over for a friendly word.

The SNP’s Pete Wishart joked with Anna Soubry, Labour’s Barry Sheerman actually edged onto the SNP benches to say something amicable to Sarah Wollaston. Plaid’s Westminster Leader Liz Saville Roberts paid a friendly social call. You half expected someone to bring a basket of muffins.

Meanwhile, across the chamber, Conservative ex-ministers Nicki Morgan and Philip Lee stood in what had been the Remainer 'naughty corner' and fixed an unreadable stare on their departed colleagues. Dr Lee, who today insisted that, despite his uber-Remain views on Brexit, he was not leaving the Conservative Party, chatted earnestly with Remainer minister Stephen Hammond, with party colleagues throwing curious glances in his direction.

The actual questions seemed almost secondary to the theatre attendant on the birth process for what may soon be a full-dress new party. There were Brexit questions, questions about anti-Semitism and constituency questions – but the only time the word “defection” was uttered was in the context of a Labour councillor in Brighton who’d switched to the Tories.

Oddly, the Indy Group themselves made no attempt to intervene, watching, chatting and consulting social media. I can see why the main parties didn’t wish to big them up with some direct attack – but the motive behind their silence is harder to fathom."

It really is bizarre, meaning the state of politics. The House of Commons is getting more and more like a eunuch storage area. The Tories have made themselves completely ineffective in a series of splits, rows and just being completely shite, same for Labour but they have different agendas, then you have the new breakaway group joining the likes of DUP, SNP, Limp Dems who will just float around like some cheap bar room whores selling themselves to the highest bidder. What's sad is that more than ever we need an alternative to the totally broken system that we have but I'm sure fronting a new party as remainers are us is doomed to failure. As for centrist politics being needed we had that with Blair and it seemed like Tory lite to me. I despair with all of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Implosion    Labour Party Implosion  - Page 2 EmptyWed Feb 20, 2019 10:56 pm

After a mere 48hrs Derek Hatton is suspended
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Implosion    Labour Party Implosion  - Page 2 EmptyWed Feb 20, 2019 11:02 pm

it is all happening so fast!

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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Implosion    Labour Party Implosion  - Page 2 EmptyFri Feb 22, 2019 9:28 am

and now it's 9 - The Dudley North MP Ian Austin has said he is quitting the Labour party, telling the Express & Star newspaper he has no plans to join the Independent Group.

Austin told the Express and Star he left Labour because of his constituents, saying: “I always tell them the truth and I could never ask local people to make Jeremy Corbyn prime minister.

“I am appalled at the offence and distress Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party have caused to Jewish people. It is terrible that a culture of extremism, antisemitism and intolerance is driving out good MPs and decent people who have committed their life to mainstream politics
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Implosion    Labour Party Implosion  - Page 2 EmptySat Feb 23, 2019 11:15 pm

Where’s the Monster Raving Loony Party when you need them ?
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Implosion    Labour Party Implosion  - Page 2 EmptySat Feb 23, 2019 11:35 pm

In charge at the moment.

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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Implosion    Labour Party Implosion  - Page 2 EmptySun Feb 24, 2019 12:23 pm

PatDunne wrote:
and now it's 9 - The Dudley North MP Ian Austin has said he is quitting the Labour party, telling the Express & Star newspaper he has no plans to join the Independent Group.

Austin told the Express and Star he left Labour because of his constituents, saying: “I always tell them the truth and I could never ask local people to make Jeremy Corbyn prime minister.

“I am appalled at the offence and distress Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party have caused to Jewish people. It is terrible that a culture of extremism, antisemitism and intolerance is driving out good MPs and decent people who have committed their life to mainstream politics

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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Implosion    Labour Party Implosion  - Page 2 EmptySun Feb 24, 2019 1:18 pm

The sooner vile corbyn and his bunch of brown shirts are in the dustbin of history the better.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour Party Implosion    Labour Party Implosion  - Page 2 EmptySun Feb 24, 2019 1:22 pm

Whilst I sympathise with your Crobyn views it will be the death of the more caring approach to politics that got him the groundswell of support in the first place, Blairites will be working like fook trying to instill more Tory politics into the Labour party. We need a knight in shining armour to rescue the country and they are extinct.
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