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PostSubject: Re: Emiliano Sala   Emiliano Sala - Page 2 EmptyThu Feb 14, 2019 7:30 pm

If you bought a sofa and the lorry crashed and burst into flames would you still have to pay for the sofa or would you get a replacement? Cardiff agreed to pay £15 mill for a player but the player never showed up...
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PostSubject: Re: Emiliano Sala   Emiliano Sala - Page 2 EmptyThu Feb 14, 2019 7:35 pm

PatDunne wrote:
If you bought a sofa and the lorry crashed and burst into flames would you still have to pay for the sofa or would you get a replacement? Cardiff agreed to pay £15 mill for a player but the player never showed up...

Hmmm, not strictly true. Sala had been to Cardiff and signed for them, he was their player.

A closer analogy would be buying a sofa, having it delivered, then deciding to put the sofa back in the lorry and the lorry crashing.
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PostSubject: Re: Emiliano Sala   Emiliano Sala - Page 2 EmptyThu Feb 14, 2019 7:43 pm

The question is at what moment is a player deal finalised. When he signs?

For instance, in the movie business, most contracts for above the line talent are payable in full the moment cameras first roll on principal photography. You as an actor might not personally film for several days. But if cameras roll. You are owed money. If they don't.. You re-negotiate or go to court.
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PostSubject: Re: Emiliano Sala   Emiliano Sala - Page 2 EmptyThu Feb 14, 2019 7:58 pm

I see, seems they have to pay up then, clubs are rather daft to allow contracted, expensive players to make their own flying arrangements.
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PostSubject: Re: Emiliano Sala   Emiliano Sala - Page 2 EmptyThu Feb 14, 2019 8:18 pm

Most big transfers don't pay out straight away I'm sure so I get why Cardiff are holding back paying it out. Who knows when the buying club becomes liable for a player? Worth speaking to the lawyers about it anyway. Once they know where they stand I'm sure they'll pay up the first installment.

I do think they are milking the whole thing a bit though now. The guy never even played for them. He might have turned out to be donkey but he's now a legend. Warnock looks like he hasn't slept in a month and the players are having the week off to spend with their families. I doubt if any of the players had even met him yet for God's sake.

The Lecester owner's death was something completely different and I understand why the fans and players were so affected by it but Cardiff are milking it.
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PostSubject: Re: Emiliano Sala   Emiliano Sala - Page 2 EmptyThu Feb 14, 2019 10:47 pm

Would it even be classed as an act of god? Damn sure the lawyers will be milking both sides for as much as they can.
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PostSubject: Re: Emiliano Sala   Emiliano Sala - Page 2 EmptyFri Feb 22, 2019 12:09 pm

Lol I'm sure they would have been scrutinising the contract if he'd scored three goals in his first game. Feckin lawyer scum.
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PostSubject: Re: Emiliano Sala   Emiliano Sala - Page 2 EmptyMon Sep 30, 2019 4:37 pm

Cardiff City have been told to pay a transfer fee of 6m euros (£5.3m) to Nantes for £15m striker Emiliano Sala.

Fifa ruled Cardiff must pay the sum "corresponding to the first instalment due" in the transfer agreement.

The Argentine, who was 28, died in a plane crash in January while travelling from France to join his new club.

Cardiff are seeking clarification as to whether the £5.3m is the total sum they have been ordered to pay, or the first of several instalments.

A Cardiff statement said: "Cardiff City FC acknowledges the decision announced today by Fifa's players status committee regarding the transfer of Emiliano Sala.

"We will be seeking further clarification from Fifa on the exact meaning of their statement in order to make an informed decision on our next steps."

Cardiff have argued they were not liable for any of the £15m fee because Sala was not officially their player when he died and refused to make interim payments, claiming the deal was not legally binding.

The club believes the transfer was null and void because Cardiff said the Premier League had rejected certain clauses requested by Nantes in the original contract and that Sala never had a chance to review or sign the final version, meaning their record signing was not registered as a Premier League player.

Ligue 1 club Nantes claim the required paperwork was completed.

But Fifa's player status committee ruled that Cardiff must pay an amount that corresponds to the scheduled first instalment in the original deal.

A statement from Fifa read: "Cardiff City FC must pay FC Nantes the sum of euros 6m, corresponding to the first instalment due in accordance with the transfer agreement concluded between the parties on 19 January 2019 for the transfer of the late Emiliano Sala from FC Nantes to Cardiff City FC."

Cardiff and Nantes have 10 days should they wish to appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Lausanne.

The plane carrying Sala and pilot David Ibbotson, 59, crashed in the English Channel on 21 January, two days after the players' transfer was announced.

The footballer's body was recovered from the wreckage, but Ibbotson, from Crowle, North Lincolnshire, has still not been found.

Sala was exposed to high levels of carbon monoxide prior to the crash, a report later revealed.
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PostSubject: Re: Emiliano Sala   Emiliano Sala - Page 2 EmptyMon Sep 30, 2019 5:22 pm

I bet the combined lawyers fees will outweigh the original price of Sala.
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PostSubject: Re: Emiliano Sala   Emiliano Sala - Page 2 EmptyTue Oct 01, 2019 8:06 am

Earwegoagain wrote:
I bet the combined lawyers fees will outweigh the original price of Sala.

When is the real investigation going to start in earnest as to regards who sanctioned and organised this manic flight in the first place
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PostSubject: Re: Emiliano Sala   Emiliano Sala - Page 2 EmptyWed Oct 02, 2019 1:49 pm

Cardiff City have decided to appeal against Fifa's ruling that they must pay the first instalment of 6m euros (£5.3m) to Nantes for £15m striker Emiliano Sala.

The Bluebirds will challenge the ruling at the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Lausanne, Switzerland.

The Argentine, who was 28, died in a plane crash in January while travelling from France to join his new club.

Cardiff and Nantes have since been in dispute over fee payments.

Cardiff have argued they were not liable for any of the full £15m fee because Sala was not officially their player when he died.

The club refused to make interim payments, claiming the deal was not legally binding.

BBC Sport has also learned that the second instalment of the £15m fee agreed for Sala is due to be paid in January 2020.

Nantes argued that having signed with Cardiff, Sala's contract with Nantes was over and that he had become a Cardiff player.

Cardiff recruited Sala while they were in the Premier League and have since been relegated to the Championship.

The Bluebirds believe the transfer was null and void, saying the Premier League had rejected certain clauses requested by Nantes in the original contract and that Sala never had a chance to review or sign the final version, meaning their record signing was not registered as a Premier League player
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PostSubject: Re: Emiliano Sala   Emiliano Sala - Page 2 EmptyWed Oct 02, 2019 4:43 pm

So stating the obvious but where was the insurance !
The people who are liable are whoever were part of the fiasco that decided that it was suitable to fly a single prop aircraft with a 61 year old pilot which was 35 years old in winter carrying a multi million pound player across the Channel

Find the sods that are responsible for that and you have the liability
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PostSubject: Re: Emiliano Sala   Emiliano Sala - Page 2 EmptyWed Oct 02, 2019 5:03 pm

harvetheslayer wrote:
So stating the obvious but where was the insurance !
The people who are liable are whoever were part of the fiasco that decided that it was suitable to fly a single prop aircraft with a 61 year old pilot which was 35 years old in winter carrying a multi million pound player across the Channel

Find the sods that are responsible for that and you have the liability

In your eyes or the eyes of the law? I'm pretty sure it was Sala and his agent that booked the plane. The one and only question that is relevant is which club was he contracted to at the time?
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PostSubject: Re: Emiliano Sala   Emiliano Sala - Page 2 EmptyWed Oct 02, 2019 5:24 pm

Earwegoagain wrote:
harvetheslayer wrote:
So stating the obvious but where was the insurance !
The people who are liable are whoever were part of the fiasco that decided that it was suitable to fly a single prop aircraft with a 61 year old pilot which was 35 years old in winter carrying a multi million pound player across the Channel

Find the sods that are responsible for that and you have the liability

In your eyes or the eyes of the law? I'm pretty sure it was Sala and his agent that booked the plane. The one and only question that is relevant is which club was he contracted to at the time?

In that case I cant see why Cardiff are being ordered to pay at all. Ignoring that are we suggesting that Cardiff were perfectly happy with the flight arrangements. If so where was the insurance. If they knew nothing of the flight arrangements than frankly they should have done.
If the agent was solely responsible for this fiasco he should be strung up by the balls and held liable. In no way can that mode of transport in the middle of winter be considered normal considering the cargo, Christ the pilot wasn't even correctly licensed.

As per normal doubtless bungs will occur and all will be forgotten bar the players family
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PostSubject: Re: Emiliano Sala   Emiliano Sala - Page 2 EmptyWed Oct 02, 2019 5:42 pm

All very tragic. Squabbling over money born out of someone's death.


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PostSubject: Re: Emiliano Sala   Emiliano Sala - Page 2 EmptyWed Oct 02, 2019 6:09 pm

Another thing to factor in is.

If this tragedy didn't happen would he have kept Cardiff up. Therefore earning Cardiff more money staying up.

This could roll on for a while unfortunately and I think out of respect for both families,

Cardiff should shut up and pay what was agreed .
They can cover it easily from parachute payments
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PostSubject: Re: Emiliano Sala   Emiliano Sala - Page 2 EmptyWed Oct 02, 2019 8:37 pm

Cardiff entered into a legally binding contract with nantes to sign Emiliano with the written and expressed intentions of agreeing to pay £15m in installments over a period off time. Both clubs signed their paperworks and emiliano was announced as a cardiff player. A Sad and very Unfortunate twist of fate robbed Emiliano of his life and cardiff of their new striker but never the less as harsh as it sounds he was their player and they got to still pay the toll as anyone would have too.

Its in extremely poor taste to try and say he wasnt really our player and not pay the first installment when he died travelling to cardiff for training.
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PostSubject: Re: Emiliano Sala   Emiliano Sala - Page 2 EmptyThu Oct 03, 2019 6:47 am

harvetheslayer wrote:
Earwegoagain wrote:
harvetheslayer wrote:
So stating the obvious but where was the insurance !
The people who are liable are whoever were part of the fiasco that decided that it was suitable to fly a single prop aircraft with a 61 year old pilot which was 35 years old in winter carrying a multi million pound player across the Channel

Find the sods that are responsible for that and you have the liability

In your eyes or the eyes of the law? I'm pretty sure it was Sala and his agent that booked the plane. The one and only question that is relevant is which club was he contracted to at the time?

In that case I cant see why Cardiff are being ordered to pay at all.  Ignoring that are we suggesting that Cardiff were perfectly happy with the flight arrangements. If so where was the insurance. If they knew nothing of the flight arrangements than frankly they should have done.
If the agent was solely responsible for this fiasco he should be strung up by the balls and held liable. In no way can that mode of transport in the middle of winter be considered normal considering the cargo, Christ the pilot wasn't even correctly licensed.

As per normal doubtless bungs will occur and all will be forgotten bar the players family

Force Majeure isn’t it. Cardiff signed him, they’ve dropped the ball here.
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