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PostSubject: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 7:12 am

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Brittany Ferries told the BBC it was contracted to add 19 weekly return sailings to three of its routes: Roscoff to Plymouth, Cherbourg to Poole and Le Havre to Portsmouth - a 50% increase on its current schedule.

The contingency plans allow for almost 4,000 more lorries a week to come and go from other ports, including Plymouth, Poole, and Portsmouth

The other firms are understood to be adding services at Immingham and Felixstowe too.
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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 9:52 am

Economy boost for the last port before the Americas... Shocked .
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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 10:33 am

Economy boost for French and Danish ferries with only 13m out of £107m going to British firms. It's all bullshit anyway why will we need more ferries after no deal? Are they expecting an an extra boost to trade?
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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 1:46 pm

Earwegoagain wrote:
Economy boost for French and Danish ferries with only 13m out of £107m going to British firms. It's all bullshit anyway why will we need more ferries after no deal? Are they expecting an an extra boost to trade?

To stop the bullshit meds and food shortages that remainers keep telling us is going to happen. There was some old pipe smoking slapper on the bbc the other day telling us all about it. According to her women will suffer more than men with brexit. Of course the presenter didn’t question anything about her claims seeing it was the bias broadcasting corporation.

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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 4:12 pm

I think even the Tory dullards in charge realise that ripping up our free trade status and introducing a new customs and trade regime will add an hour or two to the normal drive on drive off routine.

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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 4:17 pm

Something that escapes the Brexit dullards on here, apparently.
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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 4:21 pm

Bad news for the country but good news for the company supplying fuel to ferries in Pompey, Poole and Plymouth. Plus a French company with French ships and seamen benefit, taking back control in spektakler fashion.

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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 4:37 pm

^Project Fear^
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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 6:42 pm

Project ferry.

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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 7:38 pm

Sir Francis Drake wrote:
Something that escapes the Brexit dullards on here, apparently.

No one is asking why it may take an hour or two longer to roll on roll off. What I was asking was why would we need more ferries after Brexit? No one will be going on holiday and trade will be zero. Why do we need more ferries Frank?
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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 8:57 pm

Earwegoagain wrote:
Sir Francis Drake wrote:
Something that escapes the Brexit dullards on here, apparently.

No one is asking why it may take an hour or two longer to roll on roll off. What I was asking was why would we need more ferries after Brexit? No one will be going on holiday and trade will be zero. Why do we need more ferries Frank?

I'll invent some figures and a metric to illustrate.

10 ferries that each take 10 hours means the ferry traffic requires 10 x 10 = 100 "ferry hours".

If the ferries take 20 hours there is still 100 "ferry hours" of demand unsatisfied because 10 x 20 = 200 "ferry hours".

Meaning we still have half the ferry traffic unmoved.

To maintain the same trade levels we now need twice as many ferries and the "taking back control of our borders" means customs checks (by customs personnel we do not have) in more ports (not geared up to the increased traffic levels) because the obvious ones will fill to capacity

Obviously we could still just run 10 ferries but half the trade would go nowhere and the perishables like fish and agricultural produce would spoil.

So maintaining current levels of ferry traffic would require a collapse in trade that we aren't allowed to speak of without being castigated for promoting Project Fear.

This isn't even complicated enough for a child to struggle with. What is there that you don't understand?

Even, as Sea Dog put it, the "Tory Brexit dullards" understand this.

I was obviously right when I said the ATD ones don't.
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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 9:30 pm

It's a load of bollocks as always. Carry on with the smear campaigns.
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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 9:37 pm

seadog wrote:
I think even the Tory dullards in charge realise that ripping up our free trade status and introducing a new customs and trade regime will add an hour or two to the normal drive on drive off routine.

Why is this a given?

Is it not possible that a new UK "customs and trade regime" could not be better and more streamlined than the current EU model?
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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 9:51 pm

No.
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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 9:56 pm

It will be streamlined this end because we don't have enough customs and border force staff to enforce any new regs. We will just wave them through, it is on the EU side that the delays will be.
That is why the road to Dover will be a car park, the road out will be as normal.
All the MPs will have to fly to Tuscany this year.

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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 10:04 pm

Sir Francis Drake wrote:
No.

Oh, okay then.. Since it's you, you must be right.



seadog wrote:
It will be streamlined this end because we don't have enough customs and border force staff to enforce any new regs. We will just wave them through, it is on the EU side that the delays will be.
That is why the road to Dover will be a car park, the road out will be as normal.
All the MPs will have to fly to Tuscany this year.

If that's the case, why can't the EU get its act together and make things as easy as they are now? If l didn't know better. it would seem you are suggesting the EU is just going to be difficult for the sake of it?
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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 10:09 pm

Staggering incomprehension on this thread shows just how lunatic Brexit is.

We are currently an EU country meaning, essentially, no border checks. In turn this means the fastest movement possible.

Any change, even the most trivial, to this will only increase hindrance meaning longer journey time meaning more capacity required meaning more ferries necessary.

Unless we Brexit and there are no changes whatsoever in which case why leave in the first place?

But no. Brexit means Brexit. We know what we voted for. We want to take back back control or our borders.

Which means much more than trivial levels of hindrance, which means many more customs officers (who do not exist) and many more ferries to transport everything.

Then they ask: why will it mean more ferries?

You couldn't make it up.
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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 10:11 pm

Sanctimonious Cnut!

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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 10:22 pm

So we're down to simple insults now, are we?

No debate.

No comment.

Pure abuse?

Time to roll out Maggie's greatest moment.

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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 10:24 pm

So if anybody can explain how more border checks will mean faster traffic than none at all then I'd like to hear how this will work.

Except it can't and won't because it is totally illogical from top to bottom.

So more ferries it is then. Impossible to conclude otherwise.
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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 10:30 pm

The EU believes in regulation, we believe in deregulation then self regulation. That is the Conservative dogma that has brought such stunning success in the past.

I hope it won't happen but the top brains in government, names to numerous to mention, think it will. Hence the bumper bonus for foreign shipping.

Millbay will do well too.

Is Theresa May pouring money abroad to stoke project fear?

Does she or her husband have shares in Brittany Ferries?

feck knows.

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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 10:31 pm

I have no real idea on how things are done at the moment but perhaps the way border checks are done could change?

What is happening while all this "traffic" just sits on ferries doing nothing for hours?
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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 10:42 pm

For EU traffic currently there is almost no border.

But all that traffic sits on ferries for as little time as possible which means going to Dover then Calais with almost no customs involvement.

Even if displaced from Dover it'll take longer even if there are still no checks.

By the time they get down here with our 9 hour crossing and extra hours of driving the customs checks will be a near irrelevance (except for being the cause of it all).
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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 10:44 pm

That's the thing, the ferries will be running half full because it will, if the worst happens, take too long to discharge a full load before the next one is due.
The Dover Straits ferries are numerous with very fast turnarounds.
We have a few months yet, I am sure the highly skilled Tory negotiating team will sort it out, maybe get Crapita to run it too to save money.

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PostSubject: Re: No Deal More ferries to Plymouth   No Deal More ferries to Plymouth EmptySat Dec 29, 2018 11:09 pm

I don’t remember anyone saying that brexit would lead to quicker times at borders. It’s just you.

You just won’t accept that you backed the wrong horse.

As was said on here, after the vote, trust in SFD to back the wrong horse.

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