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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:47 am

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Just an idea but amongst the clubs fans there must be people who could, operate turnstiles, sell programmes, mow the pitch, serve food, wait at tables, pick litter, as volunteers, it would save James a bit of cash?

It would.

In fact pick any area of operations you like and I suspect that there's plenty of people who would love to get on board and help the club out.

I'm all for it in principle. In fact in many ways it is exactly what a club that was genuinely community-orientated should be doing. Not only should it give to the community in terms of various integrative activities (promoting sport and fitness, school and hospital visits, attending football club prize-giving functions, supporting local good causes etc - many of which it already does, of course) but be on the receiving end of widespread and genuine supporter involvement too (the only consistent example of this is the Green Taverner stuff).

There must be people out there expert in every field you can imagine who would all too happy to supply some input through their expertise, time, contacts or whatever so why not make the most of it? If they did not only would the club be more deeply embedded in the community but the community more deeply embedded in the club; it's win win win everywhere you look for everybody.

Obviously it would take a certain amount of procedural administration to organise but if there was some sort of umbrella organisation that supporters could register with it could help with the implementation and if that umbrella organisation was rewarded with a tiny representation at share-holder level then those helping out could do so knowing they were in a small way co-owners of a part of the club - they wouldn't be helping the club out they would be helping their club out. It'd be a completely different ethos to the one we currently endure where, quite frankly, all the club seems to desire and expect is regular donations of cash from well-meaning people but has no intention of giving anything in return.

The crucial thing here is the aspect of shared ownership and share ownership. It wouldn't need to be many, a token amount would do, but without it all you are doing is acquiring free labour in a fairly obviously exploitative fashion and that wouldn't be right. There's nothing wrong with volunteers offering free labour, of course, but that sort of thing sits rather more comfortably with charities than it does with a commercially run and privately-owned plc after all nobody rocks up to their local Tesco and offers to work for them free of charge, do they?
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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:50 am


'The crucial thing here is the aspect of shared ownership and share ownership'

you were doing so well......
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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:46 am

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'The crucial thing here is the aspect of shared ownership and share ownership'

you were doing so well......

There's a perfectly reasonable idea there but why anybody should do something for nothing for a privately-owned company is beyond me.

And it would need to be acceptable to the club but that'll never be the case under Brent which just goes to illustrate how empty the words about community involvement are and how sharp the focus is on the business activity. I don't think it much matters that there's a football club involved at all. It could be pasties or widgets or surf gear or hotels... It'd all be the same.
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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:08 pm

To me its a commercial venture that should have been backed with commercial money and not handouts [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:13 pm

Sir Francis Drake wrote:
PatDunne wrote:
Just an idea but amongst the clubs fans there must be people who could, operate turnstiles, sell programmes, mow the pitch, serve food, wait at tables, pick litter, as volunteers, it would save James a bit of cash?

It would.

In fact pick any area of operations you like and I suspect that there's plenty of people who would love to get on board and help the club out.

I'm all for it in principle. In fact in many ways it is exactly what a club that was genuinely community-orientated should be doing. Not only should it give to the community in terms of various integrative activities (promoting sport and fitness, school and hospital visits, attending football club prize-giving functions, supporting local good causes etc - many of which it already does, of course) but be on the receiving end of widespread and genuine supporter involvement too (the only consistent example of this is the Green Taverner stuff).

There must be people out there expert in every field you can imagine who would all too happy to supply some input through their expertise, time, contacts or whatever so why not make the most of it? If they did not only would the club be more deeply embedded in the community but the community more deeply embedded in the club; it's win win win everywhere you look for everybody.

Obviously it would take a certain amount of procedural administration to organise but if there was some sort of umbrella organisation that supporters could register with it could help with the implementation and if that umbrella organisation was rewarded with a tiny representation at share-holder level then those helping out could do so knowing they were in a small way co-owners of a part of the club - they wouldn't be helping the club out they would be helping their club out. It'd be a completely different ethos to the one we currently endure where, quite frankly, all the club seems to desire and expect is regular donations of cash from well-meaning people but has no intention of giving anything in return.

The crucial thing here is the aspect of shared ownership and share ownership. It wouldn't need to be many, a token amount would do, but without it all you are doing is acquiring free labour in a fairly obviously exploitative fashion and that wouldn't be right. There's nothing wrong with volunteers offering free labour, of course, but that sort of thing sits rather more comfortably with charities than it does with a commercially run and privately-owned plc after all nobody rocks up to their local Tesco and offers to work for them free of charge, do they?
Sort of like Truro City FC. Or so I believe.
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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:33 pm

There's no call for it though. Nearly all professional football clubs are the antithesis of shared ownership. The English model has been largely the local mill owner mentality, with one despot at the top. The "community involvment" that some clubs have had over the years has been in spite of some owners, and we need look no further than Dan who didn't even pay out prizes for the "community lottery" Gettagrip Frank. There's far more important matters that need the help of those comparative few of a shared voluntary workload mentality, than a poxy football club.
And take a look at barcelona that is admirably totally owned by it's members. Nearly all work positions are paid positions as they should be in an industry that circulates so much money. There's already a shortage of paid work, about to get a whole lot worse. It's wrong for those, like the grey pound for instance, who have found a way to be financially independent, to "hog" the work voluntarily of those that need a wage.


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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:37 pm

Quite agree Bees, I gave of my time and cash as much as any of the sooper fans during admin because I didn't want to see the club go to the wall (it wasn't Nool and Ghoul singlehandedly as the story is told now) as soon as Brent took over its down to him, I have to pay very dear to watch an underfunded team wtf should I give of my time now?
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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:29 pm

The problem with putting it outside the Demport, is it is way too far from the thousands of potential views on Outland Rd. The dog walkers will see it. So will the Park and Ride brigade. But crucially, these are the same people seeing the same message 5 or 6 days a week.

One of these boards should be stationed either at Marsh Mills or Manadon roundabouts. Tens of thousands of unique potential views every day, innit.

Dumb Janners.
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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:59 pm

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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:16 pm

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The problem with putting it outside the Demport, is it is way too far from the thousands of potential views on Outland Rd. The dog walkers will see it. So will the Park and Ride brigade. But crucially, these are the same people seeing the same message 5 or 6 days a week.

One of these boards should be stationed either at Marsh Mills or Manadon roundabouts. Tens of thousands of unique potential views every day, innit.

Dumb Janners.
Wouldn't a sign on a public road need planning permission?
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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:22 pm

Dingle wrote:
Czarcasm wrote:
The problem with putting it outside the Demport, is it is way too far from the thousands of potential views on Outland Rd. The dog walkers will see it. So will the Park and Ride brigade. But crucially, these are the same people seeing the same message 5 or 6 days a week.

One of these boards should be stationed either at Marsh Mills or Manadon roundabouts. Tens of thousands of unique potential views every day, innit.

Dumb Janners.
Wouldn't a sign on a public road need planning permission?

and pay rent? you're giving Squire James palpitations at the very thought, mind you, the real fans would cover the costs so no worries.
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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:53 pm

Could be worse I suppose. Who remembers the absolute shambles and gawd knows what regarding the university £300K electronic video board they installed knowing full well the planning permission didn't allow video next to the busy road. The squire took over the university governor thing just as this and other dodgy matters exploded. Makes you wonder just how good all these "high flyers" actually are at what they do, and just what goes on behind the scenes if no one is keeping an eye on them. Probably put him off electronic scoreboards for life. cat

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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:50 pm

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Could be worse I suppose. Who remembers the absolute shambles and gawd knows what regarding the university £300K electronic video board they installed knowing full well the planning permission didn't allow video next to the busy road. The squire took over the university governor thing just as this and other dodgy matters exploded. Makes you wonder just how good all these "high flyers" actually are at what they do, and just what goes on behind the scenes if no one is keeping an eye on them. Probably put him off electronic scoreboards for life. cat

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That's funny I've just got back from Kernow and has a few pints at an east Cornwall pub a mate of mine is a scientist specialises in math based problems and worked for aerospace. He's what Nool would class as a rabid leftie, grew up in a coal mining family in the Rhonda and he is a mathematical genius, crazy clever, anyway he got a free scholarship to Oxford and he was there at the same time as loads of the present Government he said his happiest time was when he joined he debating society along with all he career politicians. With the very odd exception his take on them is, thick as feck, just repeating the same old tired arguments they have grown up believing, speak the language, follow the script and above all don't stray outside of your social circle and you'll be fine. It's the same lie that gets all these chief execs. silly money, they don't earn the money the workers do, the execs just feed off them, suck capital out of business and screw the rest of us.
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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:01 pm

Janners go one 'better' they're in competition to hand over cash to the Squire.
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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:16 pm

Talking of Brent's perennial short arms and deep pockets philosophy. I'm surprised the rumours of the GT's offering to pay for the new supporters bar and leasing it back Brent hasn't surfaced or broke ground!

Is there anything this shyster won't avoid paying money for?

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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:56 pm

Id wonder if it gets stickered!..lol
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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:50 pm

lol!
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What a load of absolute bollocks !!!

I think you are being polite IJN but I notice the fuss being made over these few pennies but bugger all credit for the amounts Pasoti pass over.

Just utter crap .... For this money ...you will be lucky to see the sign with your nose up against it ...but hey !!! let's make a fuss all over the place....

Wonderful how the media and communications dept. decided to wake up for this ! But forget everything that Pasoti does. Of course I have nothing but praise for the groups involved .....don't get me wrong .....and Mrs H (yes well of course ...) I get it ....A clear message from the media dept. I think .
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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:58 pm

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What a load of absolute bollocks !!!

I think you are being polite IJN but I notice the fuss being made over these few pennies but bugger all credit for the amounts Pasoti pass over.

Just utter crap .... For this money ...you will be lucky to see the sign with your nose up against it ...but hey !!! let's make a fuss all over the place....

Wonderful how the media and communications dept. decided to wake up for this ! But forget everything that Pasoti does. Of course I have nothing but praise for the groups involved .....don't get me wrong .....and Mrs H (yes well of course ...) I get it ....A clear message from the media dept. I think .
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On his third or fourth bottle of red, no doubt. And - no doubt, Nikkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk will be offended by this, as he is everything, FFS.
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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:31 am

What Nikkk means when saying "Pasoti gets passed over", is that the club should be a lot more publically thankful to the likes of himself and Nool.

Sod these Janey come latelys...

Poor old Nikk, who feels he hasn't earned enough praise and forelock tugging for all the dosh he's spent on auctions.

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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:31 am

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What Nikkk means when saying "Pasoti gets passed over", is that the club should be a lot more publically thankful to the likes of himself and Nool.

Sod these Janey come latelys...

Poor old Nikk, who feels he hasn't earned enough praise and forelock tugging for all the dosh he's spent on auctions.


They are so feckin stupid they don’t realise they get ignored by Cowdery because they spend all their time slagging him off. It really is that simple.
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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:30 am

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Rickler wrote:
What Nikkk means when saying "Pasoti gets passed over", is that the club should be a lot more publically thankful to the likes of himself and Nool.

Sod these Janey come latelys...

Poor old Nikk, who feels he hasn't earned enough praise and forelock tugging for all the dosh he's spent on auctions.


They are so feckin stupid they don’t realise they get ignored by Cowdery because they spend all their time slagging him off. It really is that simple.
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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:05 pm

Jane Hallett joins the long list of people who have now spent more on the club than its owner
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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:09 pm

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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:40 pm

LOL...   Didn't Nool just the other week claim than nothing ever gets  removed or deleted on pisspotty?

Well this:

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What a load of absolute bollocks !!!

I think you are being polite IJN but I notice the fuss being made over these few pennies but bugger all credit for the amounts Pasoti pass over.

Just utter crap .... For this money ...you will be lucky to see the sign with your nose up against it ...but hey !!! let's make a fuss all over the place....

Wonderful how the media and communications dept. decided to wake up for this ! But forget everything that Pasoti does. Of course I have nothing but praise for the groups involved .....don't get me wrong .....and Mrs H (yes well of course ...) I get it ....A clear message from the media dept. I think .




...has just been replaced with this!



Nikkk on pisspotty wrote:


I have asked Ian to remove my post from last night. Just to be clear the individuals raising funds for Argyle and doing so much for the club have my total respect and I'm sure they know that. So many do a fantastic job supporting Argyle in so many ways. They love doing it and look for nothing in return. It is appreciated ...big time.

My beef was directed elsewhere ! Apologies if anyone associated with the fund raising was offended, and look forward to seeing you again soon ...and I quite expect a little slap !



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PostSubject: Re: electronic information board   Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:03 pm

I do chuckle to myself how some of these people attach such huge religious morality and piety to handing over other peoples money to a pro football club, and such tense competition between them all at that.  cat  

The moral back slapping seems like some sort of virtual Janner Bitcoin.
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