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PostSubject: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:48 am

Argyle's Vital Football site today reports that Paul Buttivant, one of the rumoured bidders for the Pilgrims, has released a statement.

  It reads- 'Having been contacted by a number of supporters regarding various rumours that problems have hit the unknown Preferred Bidder attempts to acquire the football club, we would like to make it very clear that our consortium remain ready, willing and indeed financially capable of saving Plymouth Argyle and are keen to open dialogue with the Joint Administrator immediately in order to complete a transaction, subject to our being able to complete our due diligence'.

 Paul Buttivant.'

How did the phrase "there was no one else interested in Argyle" come to stick? There is loads of material online to suggest this was not the case.
1) Irish consortium. Rumoured to be property developers! Operating under cloak of secrecy via Gibralter based shell.
2) Heaney, believed by panda to be backed by Todd, Gardner with Abe putting up the cash, again dirty property developers with Heaney believed to have struck a deal with Cineworld to build a cinema on the car park.
3) Buttivant, leading a consortium of people wanting to get into English football, Buttivant himself is a property developer and no doubt an hotel featured somewhere in his plans. He is now rumoured with his consortium to have bought Everton football club.
4) Brent. General saint, canonised for his charidee work with Citybank, never been a property developer nor will he ever be.

So why we're we told that Brent was the only bidder? More importantly who was telling us Brent was the only option? The name that comes up agin and again when reading over the admin. period is Chris Webb who funnily enough was the chairperson of the AFT at the time. Chris was regularly sitting down with Ridsdale, Guilfoyle, PCC and shockingly James Brent. In a spooky coincidence Webb was also bessie mates with the owner of PASOTI Ian Newell which at the time PASOTI was undeniably the go to place to find any news on Argyle and the unfolding crisis.
The going was not easy for Mr Brent at first with several vile and vociferous posters having the temerity to point out that maybe this Brent character was a property developer? This Heaneyesque accusation was shouted down in no uncertain fashion. Chris Webb cheer leading from the pulpit of the AFT backed by Ian Newell who now owned the biggest Argyle fans forum (although secretly at this time, in fact he was even claiming not to have moderator powers) were carrying out a very vocal and according to Guilfoyle a very intimidating campaign against anyone who wasn't called James Brent. James Brent was led to victory by these people, backed by the majority of Argyle fans because we were told that all the other interest was by time wasters with no money although Buttivant, Abe and without doubt the Irish were considerably wealthier than Brent. In fact so is Heaney. The other reason and the one that that probably Trumped the other bids was Webb and Nool both claiming that Brent "was not a property developer." Well I suppose that is in part true but it's not from lack of trying.
"Why drag all this up now", I hear the multi's on JBSOTI cry? I think the main reason for me writing this now is because I think Brent has gone about as far with the club as he's able to, I think we are on an inevitable downward trajectory which we will be lucky if we manage to arrest in league 2 this time. There seems to be a massive misconception that James Brent was THE ONLY OPTION. He wasn't, he was probably the least funded of the four bidders identified by Guilfoyle but was sold to us as NOT A PROPERTY DEVELOPER, a kind of skint but affable philanthropist.
The other reason to keep going over this is also to remember that two people that used to be Argyle fans are very much still in the game of promoting and lobbying in a positive fashion for James Brent, one of them Chris Webb rewarded with the title of club president even managing to keep it after an extra marital affair with club captains wife Purse which led to said Club captain playing shite then leaving the club at a crucial time. The other Ian Newell is struggling a little to contain criticism nowadays but the useful fool has fulfilled his purpose. Newell and Webb have both managed to quell any criticism of their preferred bidder, they have deflected criticism from Brent even when it was obvious he was trying to be a property developer, they have constantly defended lack of maintenance, lack of investment, lack of staff in turnstiles and ticket offices. All to land us with the reluctant bidder, the only choice, yet with Buttivants consortium recently purchasing Everton it would seem that was only the start of the lies.
MORE IMPORTANTLY with it looking like all Brents plans hitting the buffers again, it looks like the Hallett funded grandstand being the only thing to get built, eventually or imminently remains to be seen, we are again being told that we have to hope and pray that Brent finally after about fifty years of trying manages to build something. He won't and what's more he was never the only option, he isn't the only option now, the only obstacle to Plymouth Argyle receiving further investment is James Brent. Buttivant was chased off, Irish were chased off, local consortium were chased off, let's not let the underhand and purely self centred actions of people like Ian Newell and Chris Webb rewrite the history of Argyle and more importantly lets not let them damage the future of Argyle anymore than they have already.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:49 am

Lots of interesting stuff to dispel the myths spread on JBSOTI here,
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:50 am

Isn't somebody who was part of the Buttivant consortium now in charge at Everton too?
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:09 am

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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:43 am

Earwegoagain wrote:
Argyle's Vital Football site today reports that Paul Buttivant, one of the rumoured bidders for the Pilgrims, has released a statement.

  It reads- 'Having been contacted by a number of supporters regarding various rumours that problems have hit the unknown Preferred Bidder attempts to acquire the football club, we would like to make it very clear that our consortium remain ready, willing and indeed financially capable of saving Plymouth Argyle and are keen to open dialogue with the Joint Administrator immediately in order to complete a transaction, subject to our being able to complete our due diligence'.

 Paul Buttivant.'

How did the phrase "there was no one else interested in Argyle" come to stick? There is loads of material online to suggest this was not the case.
1) Irish consortium. Rumoured to be property developers! Operating under cloak of secrecy via Gibralter based shell.
2) Heaney, believed by panda to be backed by Todd, Gardner with Abe putting up the cash, again dirty property developers with Heaney believed to have struck a deal with Cineworld to build a cinema on the car park.
3) Buttivant, leading a consortium of people wanting to get into English football, Buttivant himself is a property developer and no doubt an hotel featured somewhere in his plans. He is now rumoured with his consortium to have bought Everton football club.
4) Brent. General saint, canonised for his charidee work with Citybank, never been a property developer nor will he ever be.

So why we're we told that Brent was the only bidder? More importantly who was telling us Brent was the only option? The name that comes up agin and again when reading over the admin. period is Chris Webb who funnily enough was the chairperson of the AFT at the time. Chris was regularly sitting down with Ridsdale, Guilfoyle, PCC and shockingly James Brent. In a spooky coincidence Webb was also bessie mates with the owner of PASOTI Ian Newell which at the time PASOTI was undeniably the go to place to find any news on Argyle and the unfolding crisis.
The going was not easy for Mr Brent at first with several vile and vociferous posters having the temerity to point out that maybe this Brent character was a property developer? This Heaneyesque accusation was shouted down in no uncertain fashion. Chris Webb cheer leading from the pulpit of the AFT backed by Ian Newell who now owned the biggest Argyle fans forum (although secretly at this time, in fact he was even claiming not to have moderator powers) were carrying out a very vocal and according to Guilfoyle a very intimidating campaign against anyone who wasn't called James Brent. James Brent was led to victory by these people, backed by the majority of Argyle fans because we were told that all the other interest was by time wasters with no money although Buttivant, Abe and without doubt the Irish were considerably wealthier than Brent. In fact so is Heaney. The other reason and the one that that probably Trumped the other bids was Webb and Nool both claiming that Brent "was not a property developer." Well I suppose that is in part true but it's not from lack of trying.
"Why drag all this up now", I hear the multi's on JBSOTI cry? I think the main reason for me writing this now is because I think Brent has gone about as far with the club as he's able to, I think we are on an inevitable downward trajectory which we will be lucky if we manage to arrest in league 2 this time. There seems to be a massive misconception that James Brent was THE ONLY OPTION. He wasn't, he was probably the least funded of the four bidders identified by Guilfoyle but was sold to us as NOT A PROPERTY DEVELOPER, a kind of skint but affable philanthropist.
The other reason to keep going over this is also to remember that two people that used to be Argyle fans are very much still in the game of promoting and lobbying in a positive fashion for James Brent, one of them Chris Webb rewarded with the title of club president even managing to keep it after an extra marital affair with club captains wife Purse which led to said Club captain playing shite then leaving the club at a crucial time. The other Ian Newell is struggling a little to contain criticism nowadays but the useful fool has fulfilled his purpose. Newell and Webb have both managed to quell any criticism of their preferred bidder, they have deflected criticism from Brent even when it was obvious he was trying to be a property developer, they have constantly defended lack of maintenance, lack of investment, lack of staff in turnstiles and ticket offices. All to land us with the reluctant bidder, the only choice, yet with Buttivants consortium recently purchasing Everton it would seem that was only the start of the lies.
MORE IMPORTANTLY with it looking like all Brents plans hitting the buffers again, it looks like the Hallett funded grandstand being the only thing to get built, eventually or imminently remains to be seen, we are again being told that we have to hope and pray that Brent finally after about fifty years of trying manages to build something. He won't and what's more he was never the only option, he isn't the only option now, the only obstacle to Plymouth Argyle receiving further investment is James Brent. Buttivant was chased off, Irish were chased off, local consortium were chased off, let's not let the underhand and purely self centred actions of people like Ian Newell and Chris Webb rewrite the history of Argyle and more importantly lets not let them damage the future of Argyle anymore than they have already.

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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:45 am

Cornish Rebel wrote:
yes

Ive been struggling to provide a concrete link any names of who he was involved with, I also see that Buttivant tried to buy Wrexham.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:48 am

Courtesy of loose cannons GOS Brents first statement about his intentions.
Brent added: "I feel very confident that the South Stand, which is clearly not in an acceptable state, could be improved in line with the AAP. The AAP acknowledges there should be development in that area, but that it should be limited. I personally think the AAP is absolutely right for the aspirations of the city and that anything we do look at needs to be done sensitively in Central Park. It would be sports and leisure related. I think the Life Centre is a fantastic addition to the city, and the AAP clearly states that the area around it should be the leisure and sporting destination of the city."
The development seems to SPORTING 200 offices!
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:08 am

Earwegoagain wrote:
Argyle's Vital Football site today reports that Paul Buttivant, one of the rumoured bidders for the Pilgrims, has released a statement.

  It reads- 'Having been contacted by a number of supporters regarding various rumours that problems have hit the unknown Preferred Bidder attempts to acquire the football club, we would like to make it very clear that our consortium remain ready, willing and indeed financially capable of saving Plymouth Argyle and are keen to open dialogue with the Joint Administrator immediately in order to complete a transaction, subject to our being able to complete our due diligence'.

 Paul Buttivant.'

How did the phrase "there was no one else interested in Argyle" come to stick? There is loads of material online to suggest this was not the case.
1) Irish consortium. Rumoured to be property developers! Operating under cloak of secrecy via Gibralter based shell.
2) Heaney, believed by panda to be backed by Todd, Gardner with Abe putting up the cash, again dirty property developers with Heaney believed to have struck a deal with Cineworld to build a cinema on the car park.
3) Buttivant, leading a consortium of people wanting to get into English football, Buttivant himself is a property developer and no doubt an hotel featured somewhere in his plans. He is now rumoured with his consortium to have bought Everton football club.
4) Brent. General saint, canonised for his charidee work with Citybank, never been a property developer nor will he ever be.

So why we're we told that Brent was the only bidder? More importantly who was telling us Brent was the only option? The name that comes up agin and again when reading over the admin. period is Chris Webb who funnily enough was the chairperson of the AFT at the time. Chris was regularly sitting down with Ridsdale, Guilfoyle, PCC and shockingly James Brent. In a spooky coincidence Webb was also bessie mates with the owner of PASOTI Ian Newell which at the time PASOTI was undeniably the go to place to find any news on Argyle and the unfolding crisis.
The going was not easy for Mr Brent at first with several vile and vociferous posters having the temerity to point out that maybe this Brent character was a property developer? This Heaneyesque accusation was shouted down in no uncertain fashion. Chris Webb cheer leading from the pulpit of the AFT backed by Ian Newell who now owned the biggest Argyle fans forum (although secretly at this time, in fact he was even claiming not to have moderator powers) were carrying out a very vocal and according to Guilfoyle a very intimidating campaign against anyone who wasn't called James Brent. James Brent was led to victory by these people, backed by the majority of Argyle fans because we were told that all the other interest was by time wasters with no money although Buttivant, Abe and without doubt the Irish were considerably wealthier than Brent. In fact so is Heaney. The other reason and the one that that probably Trumped the other bids was Webb and Nool both claiming that Brent "was not a property developer." Well I suppose that is in part true but it's not from lack of trying.
"Why drag all this up now", I hear the multi's on JBSOTI cry? I think the main reason for me writing this now is because I think Brent has gone about as far with the club as he's able to, I think we are on an inevitable downward trajectory which we will be lucky if we manage to arrest in league 2 this time. There seems to be a massive misconception that James Brent was THE ONLY OPTION. He wasn't, he was probably the least funded of the four bidders identified by Guilfoyle but was sold to us as NOT A PROPERTY DEVELOPER, a kind of skint but affable philanthropist.
The other reason to keep going over this is also to remember that two people that used to be Argyle fans are very much still in the game of promoting and lobbying in a positive fashion for James Brent, one of them Chris Webb rewarded with the title of club president even managing to keep it after an extra marital affair with club captains wife Purse which led to said Club captain playing shite then leaving the club at a crucial time. The other Ian Newell is struggling a little to contain criticism nowadays but the useful fool has fulfilled his purpose. Newell and Webb have both managed to quell any criticism of their preferred bidder, they have deflected criticism from Brent even when it was obvious he was trying to be a property developer, they have constantly defended lack of maintenance, lack of investment, lack of staff in turnstiles and ticket offices. All to land us with the reluctant bidder, the only choice, yet with Buttivants consortium recently purchasing Everton it would seem that was only the start of the lies.
MORE IMPORTANTLY with it looking like all Brents plans hitting the buffers again, it looks like the Hallett funded grandstand being the only thing to get built, eventually or imminently remains to be seen, we are again being told that we have to hope and pray that Brent finally after about fifty years of trying manages to build something. He won't and what's more he was never the only option, he isn't the only option now, the only obstacle to Plymouth Argyle receiving further investment is James Brent. Buttivant was chased off, Irish were chased off, local consortium were chased off, let's not let the underhand and purely self centred actions of people like Ian Newell and Chris Webb rewrite the history of Argyle and more importantly lets not let them damage the future of Argyle anymore than they have already.
Great piece well said! Please leave out Heaney in any future references. The bloke had lost the plot and was totally skint. He would have been a total disaster for us.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:16 am

Cousin Jack wrote:
Earwegoagain wrote:
Argyle's Vital Football site today reports that Paul Buttivant, one of the rumoured bidders for the Pilgrims, has released a statement.

  It reads- 'Having been contacted by a number of supporters regarding various rumours that problems have hit the unknown Preferred Bidder attempts to acquire the football club, we would like to make it very clear that our consortium remain ready, willing and indeed financially capable of saving Plymouth Argyle and are keen to open dialogue with the Joint Administrator immediately in order to complete a transaction, subject to our being able to complete our due diligence'.

 Paul Buttivant.'

How did the phrase "there was no one else interested in Argyle" come to stick? There is loads of material online to suggest this was not the case.
1) Irish consortium. Rumoured to be property developers! Operating under cloak of secrecy via Gibralter based shell.
2) Heaney, believed by panda to be backed by Todd, Gardner with Abe putting up the cash, again dirty property developers with Heaney believed to have struck a deal with Cineworld to build a cinema on the car park.
3) Buttivant, leading a consortium of people wanting to get into English football, Buttivant himself is a property developer and no doubt an hotel featured somewhere in his plans. He is now rumoured with his consortium to have bought Everton football club.
4) Brent. General saint, canonised for his charidee work with Citybank, never been a property developer nor will he ever be.

So why we're we told that Brent was the only bidder? More importantly who was telling us Brent was the only option? The name that comes up agin and again when reading over the admin. period is Chris Webb who funnily enough was the chairperson of the AFT at the time. Chris was regularly sitting down with Ridsdale, Guilfoyle, PCC and shockingly James Brent. In a spooky coincidence Webb was also bessie mates with the owner of PASOTI Ian Newell which at the time PASOTI was undeniably the go to place to find any news on Argyle and the unfolding crisis.
The going was not easy for Mr Brent at first with several vile and vociferous posters having the temerity to point out that maybe this Brent character was a property developer? This Heaneyesque accusation was shouted down in no uncertain fashion. Chris Webb cheer leading from the pulpit of the AFT backed by Ian Newell who now owned the biggest Argyle fans forum (although secretly at this time, in fact he was even claiming not to have moderator powers) were carrying out a very vocal and according to Guilfoyle a very intimidating campaign against anyone who wasn't called James Brent. James Brent was led to victory by these people, backed by the majority of Argyle fans because we were told that all the other interest was by time wasters with no money although Buttivant, Abe and without doubt the Irish were considerably wealthier than Brent. In fact so is Heaney. The other reason and the one that that probably Trumped the other bids was Webb and Nool both claiming that Brent "was not a property developer." Well I suppose that is in part true but it's not from lack of trying.
"Why drag all this up now", I hear the multi's on JBSOTI cry? I think the main reason for me writing this now is because I think Brent has gone about as far with the club as he's able to, I think we are on an inevitable downward trajectory which we will be lucky if we manage to arrest in league 2 this time. There seems to be a massive misconception that James Brent was THE ONLY OPTION. He wasn't, he was probably the least funded of the four bidders identified by Guilfoyle but was sold to us as NOT A PROPERTY DEVELOPER, a kind of skint but affable philanthropist.
The other reason to keep going over this is also to remember that two people that used to be Argyle fans are very much still in the game of promoting and lobbying in a positive fashion for James Brent, one of them Chris Webb rewarded with the title of club president even managing to keep it after an extra marital affair with club captains wife Purse which led to said Club captain playing shite then leaving the club at a crucial time. The other Ian Newell is struggling a little to contain criticism nowadays but the useful fool has fulfilled his purpose. Newell and Webb have both managed to quell any criticism of their preferred bidder, they have deflected criticism from Brent even when it was obvious he was trying to be a property developer, they have constantly defended lack of maintenance, lack of investment, lack of staff in turnstiles and ticket offices. All to land us with the reluctant bidder, the only choice, yet with Buttivants consortium recently purchasing Everton it would seem that was only the start of the lies.
MORE IMPORTANTLY with it looking like all Brents plans hitting the buffers again, it looks like the Hallett funded grandstand being the only thing to get built, eventually or imminently remains to be seen, we are again being told that we have to hope and pray that Brent finally after about fifty years of trying manages to build something. He won't and what's more he was never the only option, he isn't the only option now, the only obstacle to Plymouth Argyle receiving further investment is James Brent. Buttivant was chased off, Irish were chased off, local consortium were chased off, let's not let the underhand and purely self centred actions of people like Ian Newell and Chris Webb rewrite the history of Argyle and more importantly lets not let them damage the future of Argyle anymore than they have already.
Great piece well said! Please leave out Heaney in any future references. The bloke had lost the plot and was totally skint. He would have been a total disaster for us.

And the difference between a skint Heaney and a skint Brent is what? Heaney was also a front for Todd, Gardner and Kinso Abe our ex Japanese director who is minted. Do I think Heaney would have been better than Brent? No. However I do think he was backed with more money than Brent and also he was a major player in that story so his place in the story is deserved. What I'm trying to do is dispel the myth that Brent was and is the only option. We were hoodwinked about Brent's, means, motives and aspirations for the club by Chris Webb and Ian Newell after they were courted by Brent with silly hats and titles.
It is still going on, we are stuck with Brent, there are no alternatives, there were and are always alternatives.
Let's be positive and laud JB for putting us on a steady platform to build from. Thanks James, now fook off and let someone capable of running a FOOTBALL CLUB have a go, you are obviously tied up trying to wrangle your assets strip to a profitable conclusion.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:56 am

Well said.

The people that hounded and chased away other potential investors must hang their heads in shame. They have backed the wrong horse. They will never admit it however. As stated above they are too appreciative of the prawn sandwiches and pats on the head from Sir Jimmy.

Interestingly Nool is intensely disliked by many staff at Home Park. Webb never goes anymore as there are no available wives apparently.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:58 am

I thought the reluctant bidder about a year ago disclosed he still gets regular enquiries about the club.
He may even have said it in the herald, I can't quite remember,  but it was picked up by threads on here
Anyway I never believed that for a moment he was ever the only party interested, and when he first blighted our club with his presence , mine and many others suspicions
were aroused by his frequent references to being
"a reluctant bidder".
Only a shyster with alteirior motives would behave
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:17 pm

While we're on the subject why do people keep referring to Brent as a property developer? He isn't. To my knowledge he has failed to develop any of the property he has "acquired", be it in Plymouth, Devon, Bulgaria or wherever.

Property speculator is more accurate surely.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:21 pm

akagreengull wrote:
I thought the reluctant bidder about a year ago disclosed he still gets regular enquiries about the club.
He may even have said it in the herald, I can't quite remember,  but it was picked up by threads on here
Anyway I never believed that for a moment he was ever the only party interested, and when he first blighted our club with his presence , mine and many others suspicions
were aroused by his frequent references to being
"a reluctant bidder".
Only a shyster with alteirior motives would behave
like that.

He did say that and it has referred to a few times - he said the enquiries received didn't match his vision/ambition for the club or something similar.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:24 pm

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Well said.

The people that hounded and chased away other potential investors must hang their heads in shame. They have backed the wrong horse. They will never admit it however. As stated above they are too appreciative of the prawn sandwiches and pats on the head from Sir Jimmy.

Interestingly Nool is intensely disliked by many staff at Home Park. Webb never goes anymore as there are no available wives apparently.

Yes I often wondered what the ticket office staff actually thought of this uninvited third party - who absolutely did not work there - traipsing into their workplace. In my office he would have been escorted out and the police called.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:48 pm

So are you saying that one of Buttivants crew was Farhad Moshiri?
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:59 pm

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So are you saying that one of Buttivants crew was Farhad Moshiri?

I or we don't know. Is all we know is that Buutivant was head of a consortium trying to buy an English football league club whether Moshri was a member of consortium at that time I honestly don't know. I have heard that Buttivant was behind the man that bought Everton but can find no links on google to back this up. Maybe someone could ask De Lar?
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:03 pm

Or Darren Stoneman on the farm as he was the one that pointed out the Everton Buttivant link.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:43 pm

Freathy wrote:
akagreengull wrote:
I thought the reluctant bidder about a year ago disclosed he still gets regular enquiries about the club.
He may even have said it in the herald, I can't quite remember,  but it was picked up by threads on here
Anyway I never believed that for a moment he was ever the only party interested, and when he first blighted our club with his presence , mine and many others suspicions
were aroused by his frequent references to being
"a reluctant bidder".
Only a shyster with alteirior motives would behave
like that.

He did say that and it has referred to a few times - he said the enquiries received didn't match his vision/ambition for the club or something similar.
Thanks Freathy for verifying that, you hear so much crap from that man, that it all blends in together after a while.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:52 pm

akagreengull wrote:
Freathy wrote:
akagreengull wrote:
I thought the reluctant bidder about a year ago disclosed he still gets regular enquiries about the club.
He may even have said it in the herald, I can't quite remember,  but it was picked up by threads on here
Anyway I never believed that for a moment he was ever the only party interested, and when he first blighted our club with his presence , mine and many others suspicions
were aroused by his frequent references to being
"a reluctant bidder".
Only a shyster with alteirior motives would behave
like that.

He did say that and it has referred to a few times - he said the enquiries received didn't match his vision/ambition for the club or something similar.
Thanks Freathy for verifying that, you hear so much crap from that man, that it all blends in together after a while.
It was actually said by JB at one of the Fan's Forums.
(a job for someone to go and research there) popcorn
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:10 pm

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Well said.

The people that hounded and chased away other potential investors must hang their heads in shame. They have backed the wrong horse. They will never admit it however. As stated above they are too appreciative of the prawn sandwiches and pats on the head from Sir Jimmy.

Interestingly Nool is intensely disliked by many staff at Home Park. Webb never goes anymore as there are no available wives apparently.

Do they still call him Internet Ian?


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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:12 pm

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akagreengull wrote:
I thought the reluctant bidder about a year ago disclosed he still gets regular enquiries about the club.
He may even have said it in the herald, I can't quite remember,  but it was picked up by threads on here
Anyway I never believed that for a moment he was ever the only party interested, and when he first blighted our club with his presence , mine and many others suspicions
were aroused by his frequent references to being
"a reluctant bidder".
Only a shyster with alteirior motives would behave
like that.

He did say that and it has referred to a few times - he said the enquiries received didn't match his vision/ambition for the club or something similar.

Or they fell on the floor in fits of laughter when James told them how much he wanted to the club and HHP wasn't to be included.

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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:18 pm

Hugh Watt wrote:
Freathy wrote:
akagreengull wrote:
I thought the reluctant bidder about a year ago disclosed he still gets regular enquiries about the club.
He may even have said it in the herald, I can't quite remember,  but it was picked up by threads on here
Anyway I never believed that for a moment he was ever the only party interested, and when he first blighted our club with his presence , mine and many others suspicions
were aroused by his frequent references to being
"a reluctant bidder".
Only a shyster with alteirior motives would behave
like that.

He did say that and it has referred to a few times - he said the enquiries received didn't match his vision/ambition for the club or something similar.

Or they fell on the floor in fits of laughter when James told them how much he wanted to the club and HHP wasn't to be included.

Much more like it. In Brentspeak, 'not matching my vision and ambition' means 'not paying me enough money'.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:31 pm

Earwegoagain wrote:
Cousin Jack wrote:
Earwegoagain wrote:
Argyle's Vital Football site today reports that Paul Buttivant, one of the rumoured bidders for the Pilgrims, has released a statement.

  It reads- 'Having been contacted by a number of supporters regarding various rumours that problems have hit the unknown Preferred Bidder attempts to acquire the football club, we would like to make it very clear that our consortium remain ready, willing and indeed financially capable of saving Plymouth Argyle and are keen to open dialogue with the Joint Administrator immediately in order to complete a transaction, subject to our being able to complete our due diligence'.

 Paul Buttivant.'

How did the phrase "there was no one else interested in Argyle" come to stick? There is loads of material online to suggest this was not the case.
1) Irish consortium. Rumoured to be property developers! Operating under cloak of secrecy via Gibralter based shell.
2) Heaney, believed by panda to be backed by Todd, Gardner with Abe putting up the cash, again dirty property developers with Heaney believed to have struck a deal with Cineworld to build a cinema on the car park.
3) Buttivant, leading a consortium of people wanting to get into English football, Buttivant himself is a property developer and no doubt an hotel featured somewhere in his plans. He is now rumoured with his consortium to have bought Everton football club.
4) Brent. General saint, canonised for his charidee work with Citybank, never been a property developer nor will he ever be.

So why we're we told that Brent was the only bidder? More importantly who was telling us Brent was the only option? The name that comes up agin and again when reading over the admin. period is Chris Webb who funnily enough was the chairperson of the AFT at the time. Chris was regularly sitting down with Ridsdale, Guilfoyle, PCC and shockingly James Brent. In a spooky coincidence Webb was also bessie mates with the owner of PASOTI Ian Newell which at the time PASOTI was undeniably the go to place to find any news on Argyle and the unfolding crisis.
The going was not easy for Mr Brent at first with several vile and vociferous posters having the temerity to point out that maybe this Brent character was a property developer? This Heaneyesque accusation was shouted down in no uncertain fashion. Chris Webb cheer leading from the pulpit of the AFT backed by Ian Newell who now owned the biggest Argyle fans forum (although secretly at this time, in fact he was even claiming not to have moderator powers) were carrying out a very vocal and according to Guilfoyle a very intimidating campaign against anyone who wasn't called James Brent. James Brent was led to victory by these people, backed by the majority of Argyle fans because we were told that all the other interest was by time wasters with no money although Buttivant, Abe and without doubt the Irish were considerably wealthier than Brent. In fact so is Heaney. The other reason and the one that that probably Trumped the other bids was Webb and Nool both claiming that Brent "was not a property developer." Well I suppose that is in part true but it's not from lack of trying.
"Why drag all this up now", I hear the multi's on JBSOTI cry? I think the main reason for me writing this now is because I think Brent has gone about as far with the club as he's able to, I think we are on an inevitable downward trajectory which we will be lucky if we manage to arrest in league 2 this time. There seems to be a massive misconception that James Brent was THE ONLY OPTION. He wasn't, he was probably the least funded of the four bidders identified by Guilfoyle but was sold to us as NOT A PROPERTY DEVELOPER, a kind of skint but affable philanthropist.
The other reason to keep going over this is also to remember that two people that used to be Argyle fans are very much still in the game of promoting and lobbying in a positive fashion for James Brent, one of them Chris Webb rewarded with the title of club president even managing to keep it after an extra marital affair with club captains wife Purse which led to said Club captain playing shite then leaving the club at a crucial time. The other Ian Newell is struggling a little to contain criticism nowadays but the useful fool has fulfilled his purpose. Newell and Webb have both managed to quell any criticism of their preferred bidder, they have deflected criticism from Brent even when it was obvious he was trying to be a property developer, they have constantly defended lack of maintenance, lack of investment, lack of staff in turnstiles and ticket offices. All to land us with the reluctant bidder, the only choice, yet with Buttivants consortium recently purchasing Everton it would seem that was only the start of the lies.
MORE IMPORTANTLY with it looking like all Brents plans hitting the buffers again, it looks like the Hallett funded grandstand being the only thing to get built, eventually or imminently remains to be seen, we are again being told that we have to hope and pray that Brent finally after about fifty years of trying manages to build something. He won't and what's more he was never the only option, he isn't the only option now, the only obstacle to Plymouth Argyle receiving further investment is James Brent. Buttivant was chased off, Irish were chased off, local consortium were chased off, let's not let the underhand and purely self centred actions of people like Ian Newell and Chris Webb rewrite the history of Argyle and more importantly lets not let them damage the future of Argyle anymore than they have already.
Great piece well said! Please leave out Heaney in any future references. The bloke had lost the plot and was totally skint. He would have been a total disaster for us.

And the difference between a skint Heaney and a skint Brent is what? Heaney was also a front for Todd, Gardner and Kinso Abe our ex Japanese director who is minted. Do I think Heaney would have been better than Brent? No. However I do think he was backed with more money than Brent and also he was a major player in that story so his place in the story is deserved. What I'm trying to do is dispel the myth that Brent was and is the only option. We were hoodwinked about Brent's, means, motives and aspirations for the club by Chris Webb and Ian Newell after they were courted by Brent with silly hats and titles.
It is still going on, we are stuck with Brent, there are no alternatives, there were and are always alternatives.
Let's be positive and laud JB for putting us on a steady platform to build from. Thanks James, now fook off and let someone capable of running a FOOTBALL CLUB have a go, you are obviously tied up trying to wrangle your assets strip to a profitable conclusion.
I’m completely with you and understand the points you are making, but Heaney won’t cut the mustard with anyone, especially in Cornwall where he’d left a trail of debt,mostly to small local businesses. At the time he was linked to Argyle, he was as popular as a dose of the clap! This opinion hasn’t changed.That’s why I’d leave his name out! His name will never be credible. That ship had sailed.
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:32 pm

Another fact that doesnt get a mention anymore is that th administrators REJECTED james brent's first bid outright.

that was before heaney's exclusivity btw
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PostSubject: Re: Paul Buttivant   Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:35 pm

Cousin Jack wrote:
Earwegoagain wrote:
Cousin Jack wrote:
Earwegoagain wrote:
Argyle's Vital Football site today reports that Paul Buttivant, one of the rumoured bidders for the Pilgrims, has released a statement.

  It reads- 'Having been contacted by a number of supporters regarding various rumours that problems have hit the unknown Preferred Bidder attempts to acquire the football club, we would like to make it very clear that our consortium remain ready, willing and indeed financially capable of saving Plymouth Argyle and are keen to open dialogue with the Joint Administrator immediately in order to complete a transaction, subject to our being able to complete our due diligence'.

 Paul Buttivant.'

How did the phrase "there was no one else interested in Argyle" come to stick? There is loads of material online to suggest this was not the case.
1) Irish consortium. Rumoured to be property developers! Operating under cloak of secrecy via Gibralter based shell.
2) Heaney, believed by panda to be backed by Todd, Gardner with Abe putting up the cash, again dirty property developers with Heaney believed to have struck a deal with Cineworld to build a cinema on the car park.
3) Buttivant, leading a consortium of people wanting to get into English football, Buttivant himself is a property developer and no doubt an hotel featured somewhere in his plans. He is now rumoured with his consortium to have bought Everton football club.
4) Brent. General saint, canonised for his charidee work with Citybank, never been a property developer nor will he ever be.

So why we're we told that Brent was the only bidder? More importantly who was telling us Brent was the only option? The name that comes up agin and again when reading over the admin. period is Chris Webb who funnily enough was the chairperson of the AFT at the time. Chris was regularly sitting down with Ridsdale, Guilfoyle, PCC and shockingly James Brent. In a spooky coincidence Webb was also bessie mates with the owner of PASOTI Ian Newell which at the time PASOTI was undeniably the go to place to find any news on Argyle and the unfolding crisis.
The going was not easy for Mr Brent at first with several vile and vociferous posters having the temerity to point out that maybe this Brent character was a property developer? This Heaneyesque accusation was shouted down in no uncertain fashion. Chris Webb cheer leading from the pulpit of the AFT backed by Ian Newell who now owned the biggest Argyle fans forum (although secretly at this time, in fact he was even claiming not to have moderator powers) were carrying out a very vocal and according to Guilfoyle a very intimidating campaign against anyone who wasn't called James Brent. James Brent was led to victory by these people, backed by the majority of Argyle fans because we were told that all the other interest was by time wasters with no money although Buttivant, Abe and without doubt the Irish were considerably wealthier than Brent. In fact so is Heaney. The other reason and the one that that probably Trumped the other bids was Webb and Nool both claiming that Brent "was not a property developer." Well I suppose that is in part true but it's not from lack of trying.
"Why drag all this up now", I hear the multi's on JBSOTI cry? I think the main reason for me writing this now is because I think Brent has gone about as far with the club as he's able to, I think we are on an inevitable downward trajectory which we will be lucky if we manage to arrest in league 2 this time. There seems to be a massive misconception that James Brent was THE ONLY OPTION. He wasn't, he was probably the least funded of the four bidders identified by Guilfoyle but was sold to us as NOT A PROPERTY DEVELOPER, a kind of skint but affable philanthropist.
The other reason to keep going over this is also to remember that two people that used to be Argyle fans are very much still in the game of promoting and lobbying in a positive fashion for James Brent, one of them Chris Webb rewarded with the title of club president even managing to keep it after an extra marital affair with club captains wife Purse which led to said Club captain playing shite then leaving the club at a crucial time. The other Ian Newell is struggling a little to contain criticism nowadays but the useful fool has fulfilled his purpose. Newell and Webb have both managed to quell any criticism of their preferred bidder, they have deflected criticism from Brent even when it was obvious he was trying to be a property developer, they have constantly defended lack of maintenance, lack of investment, lack of staff in turnstiles and ticket offices. All to land us with the reluctant bidder, the only choice, yet with Buttivants consortium recently purchasing Everton it would seem that was only the start of the lies.
MORE IMPORTANTLY with it looking like all Brents plans hitting the buffers again, it looks like the Hallett funded grandstand being the only thing to get built, eventually or imminently remains to be seen, we are again being told that we have to hope and pray that Brent finally after about fifty years of trying manages to build something. He won't and what's more he was never the only option, he isn't the only option now, the only obstacle to Plymouth Argyle receiving further investment is James Brent. Buttivant was chased off, Irish were chased off, local consortium were chased off, let's not let the underhand and purely self centred actions of people like Ian Newell and Chris Webb rewrite the history of Argyle and more importantly lets not let them damage the future of Argyle anymore than they have already.
Great piece well said! Please leave out Heaney in any future references. The bloke had lost the plot and was totally skint. He would have been a total disaster for us.

And the difference between a skint Heaney and a skint Brent is what? Heaney was also a front for Todd, Gardner and Kinso Abe our ex Japanese director who is minted. Do I think Heaney would have been better than Brent? No. However I do think he was backed with more money than Brent and also he was a major player in that story so his place in the story is deserved. What I'm trying to do is dispel the myth that Brent was and is the only option. We were hoodwinked about Brent's, means, motives and aspirations for the club by Chris Webb and Ian Newell after they were courted by Brent with silly hats and titles.
It is still going on, we are stuck with Brent, there are no alternatives, there were and are always alternatives.
Let's be positive and laud JB for putting us on a steady platform to build from. Thanks James, now fook off and let someone capable of running a FOOTBALL CLUB have a go, you are obviously tied up trying to wrangle your assets strip to a profitable conclusion.
I’m completely with you and understand the points you are making, but Heaney won’t cut the mustard with anyone, especially in Cornwall where he’d left a trail of debt,mostly to small local businesses. At the time he was linked to Argyle, he was as popular as a dose of the clap! This opinion hasn’t changed.That’s why I’d leave his name out! His name will never be credible. That ship had sailed.

Heaney was a front man, I don't why he of all people was picked as a front man but he was only the front man

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