2011 v 2018

The last time we were in a relegation battle from this division was in 2010-11.

These, are the players we had in the squad that year:

R Larrieu, K Duguid, B N'Gala, C Fletcher, R Johnson, C Clark, R Patterson, B Wright-Phillips, K Arnason, J Harper-Penman, M Rickard, R Fallon, O Bhasera, J Mason, C Noone, J Stephens, Y Bolasie, L Summerfield, A Peterlin, K Timar, S Walton, J Paterson, M Seip, D Button, S MacLean, L Molyneux, L Young, C Nelson, D Parrett, S Zubar, C Clifford.

... and they ended up being relegated.

Looking at them our best XI might have been:

Larrieu

Clark     Johnson       Seip          Bhasera

Arnason

Noone        Mason       Young

BWP       Bolasie


Which begs a couple of questions:

1. How did that squad ever get relegated?
2. How many of them wouldn't get in our team now?

And yet they went down. OK so we were deducted 10 points and would have finished 6th from bottom with 52 points had that not happened so the boardroom's incompetence and negligence was the decisive factor but 6th from bottom would hardly have been great anyway.

Now compare them to what we have now:

R te Loeke, G Miller, G Sawyer, Y Songo'o, R Edwards, J Ness, A Sarcevic, L Ainsworth, N Ciftci, G Carey, R Lameiras, N Blissett, J Jervis, S Bradley, J Grant, A Taylor-Sinclair, O Threlkeld, R Taylor, J Sokolik, G Wylde, L McCormick, D Fox, K Letheren, J Bentley, A Fletcher, C Rose.

Best XI? (Who knows to be honest - might be better off picking a Best X!)

McCormick

Threlkeld         Bradley       Edwards         Sawyer

Songo'o         Fox

Ainsworth         Ness         Lameiras

Carey

Taylor


How many would you choose over their 2011 compadres? Threlkeld certainly. Carey and McCormick maybe. It pretty much stops there. Unless one or two of the fringe players a) get a chance and b) come very good.

We're in deep, deep shit.

It's depressing isn't it? The class we had then compared to now.

but the club also owned a run down car park and now that nice Mr Brent has took it off our hands and is going to build nice things on it.

Spose not owning the carpark saves on tarmac fees and not having to splash out compo for pothole injuries

The red cards were part of the reason we went down that year.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

The last time we were in a relegation battle from this division was in 2010-11.

These, are the players we had in the squad that year:

R Larrieu, K Duguid, B N'Gala, C Fletcher, R Johnson, C Clark, R Patterson, B Wright-Phillips, K Arnason, J Harper-Penman, M Rickard, R Fallon, O Bhasera, J Mason, C Noone, J Stephens, Y Bolasie, L Summerfield, A Peterlin, K Timar, S Walton, J Paterson, M Seip, D Button, S MacLean, L Molyneux, L Young, C Nelson, D Parrett, S Zubar, C Clifford.

... and they ended up being relegated.

Looking at them our best XI might have been:

Larrieu

Clark     Johnson       Seip          Bhasera

Arnason

Noone        Mason       Young (really!!!)

BWP       Bolasie


Which begs a couple of questions:

1. How did that squad ever get relegated?
2. How many of them wouldn't get in our team now?

And yet they went down. OK so we were deducted 10 points and would have finished 6th from bottom with 52 points had that not happened so the boardroom's incompetence and negligence was the decisive factor but 6th from bottom would hardly have been great anyway.

Now compare them to what we have now:

R te Loeke, G Miller, G Sawyer, Y Songo'o, R Edwards, J Ness, A Sarcevic, L Ainsworth, N Ciftci, G Carey, R Lameiras, N Blissett, J Jervis, S Bradley, J Grant, A Taylor-Sinclair, O Threlkeld, R Taylor, J Sokolik, G Wylde, L McCormick, D Fox, K Letheren, J Bentley, A Fletcher, C Rose.

Best XI? (Who knows to be honest - might be better off picking a Best X!)

McCormick

Threlkeld         Bradley       Edwards         Sawyer

Songo'o         Fox

Ainsworth         Ness         Lameiras

Carey

Taylor


How many would you choose over their 2011 compadres? Threlkeld certainly. Carey and McCormick maybe. It pretty much stops there. Unless one or two of the fringe players a) get a chance and b) come very good.

We're in deep, deep shit.

can you count? plus both your teams are not the best


Cause Peter Reid wasn't that good a manager despite all the hype fans give him especially for selling of a runner up medal to pay for the heating which he got back straight away.
He his training methods where out dated and he couldn't get that team to play constantly even before administration era hit that squad hard and what came afterwards. We shoul have been challenging for playoffs at least with that squad.

the only good thing on the pitch peter reid did for us was signing Hourihane.

Wright-Phillips and Noone leaving in January didn't help...

Innocent Egbunike wrote:

Wright-Phillips and Noone leaving in January didn't help...

I was going to say that myself, was that all that left then? We also had injuries and lots of suspensions racked up post Christmas together with a feeling that the club had lost its way again.
I made a similar post last night on another thread comparing this squad to the squad two years ago that beat Exeter easily in both league and tin pot only to fail at Wembly I think the squad then was better than it is now especially at the back.

And don't we get a points deduction to start the season with?

Earwegoagain wrote:

And don't we get a points deduction to start the season with?

Not to start with, that came later along with loss of people like Wright Phillips, Noone, Johnson, Stevens and Seip. Argyle had a disastrous spell after the deduction and losing those players, which was understandable, but picked up some form towards the end of the season-too late unfortunately. The play offs were not a million miles away before those players left and the squad was certainly better than the one currently in place, would have been even better if Barnes had not been sold off. Utter nonsense not take into account the effect that circumstances had on matters-the retention of Wright Phillips alone would have ensured that a far greater total of 52 points would have been attained.

Zackly I also think that criticism of Peter Reid is unwarranted, he started his Argyle career with only nine players after selling anybody worth a fiver or more.

Rumour the players took a dislike to him on the training pitch..by all acounts didnt like his methods..he would shout & scream at em
One player described him as having little man
Syndrome if i can remember at the time

Earwegoagain wrote:

Zackly I also think that criticism of Peter Reid is unwarranted, he started his Argyle career with only nine players after selling anybody worth a fiver or more.

He inherit the championship squad in his first season that got relegated minus a few who left but the majority of that squad was still there till january when administration started. it was the season afterwars when he had 9 players left due to continued administration and transfer embago.

All the seasons since then are the same just different shit happening, we haven't had a good season since, even last year seemed a damp squib for a promo year.

Angry wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

The last time we were in a relegation battle from this division was in 2010-11.

These, are the players we had in the squad that year:

R Larrieu, K Duguid, B N'Gala, C Fletcher, R Johnson, C Clark, R Patterson, B Wright-Phillips, K Arnason, J Harper-Penman, M Rickard, R Fallon, O Bhasera, J Mason, C Noone, J Stephens, Y Bolasie, L Summerfield, A Peterlin, K Timar, S Walton, J Paterson, M Seip, D Button, S MacLean, L Molyneux, L Young, C Nelson, D Parrett, S Zubar, C Clifford.

... and they ended up being relegated.

Looking at them our best XI might have been:

Larrieu

Clark     Johnson       Seip          Bhasera

Arnason

Noone        Mason       Young (really!!!)

BWP       Bolasie


Which begs a couple of questions:

1. How did that squad ever get relegated?
2. How many of them wouldn't get in our team now?

And yet they went down. OK so we were deducted 10 points and would have finished 6th from bottom with 52 points had that not happened so the boardroom's incompetence and negligence was the decisive factor but 6th from bottom would hardly have been great anyway.

Now compare them to what we have now:

R te Loeke, G Miller, G Sawyer, Y Songo'o, R Edwards, J Ness, A Sarcevic, L Ainsworth, N Ciftci, G Carey, R Lameiras, N Blissett, J Jervis, S Bradley, J Grant, A Taylor-Sinclair, O Threlkeld, R Taylor, J Sokolik, G Wylde, L McCormick, D Fox, K Letheren, J Bentley, A Fletcher, C Rose.

Best XI? (Who knows to be honest - might be better off picking a Best X!)

McCormick

Threlkeld         Bradley       Edwards         Sawyer

Songo'o         Fox

Ainsworth         Ness         Lameiras

Carey

Taylor


How many would you choose over their 2011 compadres? Threlkeld certainly. Carey and McCormick maybe. It pretty much stops there. Unless one or two of the fringe players a) get a chance and b) come very good.

We're in deep, deep shit.

can you count? plus both your teams are not the best


Cause Peter Reid wasn't that good a manager despite all the hype fans give him especially for selling of a runner up medal to pay for the heating which he got back straight away.
He his training methods where out dated and he couldn't get that team to play constantly even before administration era hit that squad hard and what came afterwards. We shoul have been challenging for playoffs at least with that squad.

the only good thing on the pitch peter reid did for us was signing Hourihane.

Bless.

Frank Bullitt wrote:

The red cards were part of the reason we went down that year.

13 1st XI red cards in 2010-11.

5 1st XI red cards in 2017 after only 11 games.

Peter Reid was a shit manager, nice guy but didn't we lose the first eight games?
In recent times Holloway at the time was one of the best.
Oh if only we had a Peter Halmosie now.
Happy days.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Angry wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

The last time we were in a relegation battle from this division was in 2010-11.

These, are the players we had in the squad that year:

R Larrieu, K Duguid, B N'Gala, C Fletcher, R Johnson, C Clark, R Patterson, B Wright-Phillips, K Arnason, J Harper-Penman, M Rickard, R Fallon, O Bhasera, J Mason, C Noone, J Stephens, Y Bolasie, L Summerfield, A Peterlin, K Timar, S Walton, J Paterson, M Seip, D Button, S MacLean, L Molyneux, L Young, C Nelson, D Parrett, S Zubar, C Clifford.

... and they ended up being relegated.

Looking at them our best XI might have been:

Larrieu

Clark     Johnson       Seip          Bhasera

Arnason

Noone        Mason       Young (really!!!)

BWP       Bolasie


Which begs a couple of questions:

1. How did that squad ever get relegated?
2. How many of them wouldn't get in our team now?

And yet they went down. OK so we were deducted 10 points and would have finished 6th from bottom with 52 points had that not happened so the boardroom's incompetence and negligence was the decisive factor but 6th from bottom would hardly have been great anyway.

Now compare them to what we have now:

R te Loeke, G Miller, G Sawyer, Y Songo'o, R Edwards, J Ness, A Sarcevic, L Ainsworth, N Ciftci, G Carey, R Lameiras, N Blissett, J Jervis, S Bradley, J Grant, A Taylor-Sinclair, O Threlkeld, R Taylor, J Sokolik, G Wylde, L McCormick, D Fox, K Letheren, J Bentley, A Fletcher, C Rose.

Best XI? (Who knows to be honest - might be better off picking a Best X!)

McCormick

Threlkeld         Bradley       Edwards         Sawyer

Songo'o         Fox

Ainsworth         Ness         Lameiras

Carey

Taylor


How many would you choose over their 2011 compadres? Threlkeld certainly. Carey and McCormick maybe. It pretty much stops there. Unless one or two of the fringe players a) get a chance and b) come very good.

We're in deep, deep shit.

can you count? plus both your teams are not the best


Cause Peter Reid wasn't that good a manager despite all the hype fans give him especially for selling of a runner up medal to pay for the heating which he got back straight away.
He his training methods where out dated and he couldn't get that team to play constantly even before administration era hit that squad hard and what came afterwards. We shoul have been challenging for playoffs at least with that squad.

the only good thing on the pitch peter reid did for us was signing Hourihane.

Bless.

And too thinkyou were a teacher lol

RegGreen wrote:

Rumour the players took a dislike to him on the training pitch..by all acounts didnt like his methods..he would shout & scream at em
One player described him as having little man
Syndrome if i can remember at the time

I think you’re mistaking Reid for John Sheridan. He never tired of telling the players how good he was as a player. A nasty piece of work confirmed by his touch line rant at the fourth official last year. Now Reid’s brother could be a bit OTT but definitely not Peter Reid.

Angry wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Angry wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

The last time we were in a relegation battle from this division was in 2010-11.

These, are the players we had in the squad that year:

R Larrieu, K Duguid, B N'Gala, C Fletcher, R Johnson, C Clark, R Patterson, B Wright-Phillips, K Arnason, J Harper-Penman, M Rickard, R Fallon, O Bhasera, J Mason, C Noone, J Stephens, Y Bolasie, L Summerfield, A Peterlin, K Timar, S Walton, J Paterson, M Seip, D Button, S MacLean, L Molyneux, L Young, C Nelson, D Parrett, S Zubar, C Clifford.

... and they ended up being relegated.

Looking at them our best XI might have been:

Larrieu

Clark     Johnson       Seip          Bhasera

Arnason

Noone        Mason       Young (really!!!)

BWP       Bolasie


Which begs a couple of questions:

1. How did that squad ever get relegated?
2. How many of them wouldn't get in our team now?

And yet they went down. OK so we were deducted 10 points and would have finished 6th from bottom with 52 points had that not happened so the boardroom's incompetence and negligence was the decisive factor but 6th from bottom would hardly have been great anyway.

Now compare them to what we have now:

R te Loeke, G Miller, G Sawyer, Y Songo'o, R Edwards, J Ness, A Sarcevic, L Ainsworth, N Ciftci, G Carey, R Lameiras, N Blissett, J Jervis, S Bradley, J Grant, A Taylor-Sinclair, O Threlkeld, R Taylor, J Sokolik, G Wylde, L McCormick, D Fox, K Letheren, J Bentley, A Fletcher, C Rose.

Best XI? (Who knows to be honest - might be better off picking a Best X!)

McCormick

Threlkeld         Bradley       Edwards         Sawyer

Songo'o         Fox

Ainsworth         Ness         Lameiras

Carey

Taylor


How many would you choose over their 2011 compadres? Threlkeld certainly. Carey and McCormick maybe. It pretty much stops there. Unless one or two of the fringe players a) get a chance and b) come very good.

We're in deep, deep shit.

can you count? plus both your teams are not the best


Cause Peter Reid wasn't that good a manager despite all the hype fans give him especially for selling of a runner up medal to pay for the heating which he got back straight away.
He his training methods where out dated and he couldn't get that team to play constantly even before administration era hit that squad hard and what came afterwards. We shoul have been challenging for playoffs at least with that squad.

the only good thing on the pitch peter reid did for us was signing Hourihane.

Bless.

And too thinkyou were a teacher lol

You are a credit to reliability.

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

RegGreen wrote:

Rumour the players took a dislike to him on the training pitch..by all acounts didnt like his methods..he would shout & scream at em
One player described him as having little man
Syndrome if i can remember at the time

I think you’re mistaking Reid for John Sheridan. He never tired of telling the players how good he was as a player. A nasty piece of work confirmed by his touch line rant at the fourth official last year. Now Reid’s brother could be a bit OTT but definitely not Peter Reid.

Having spoken with a player of reid's here on the subject a few years back peter was a mouthy sod on the training ground. Whether his brother was worse that i can not say but reid certainly liked a row. Shezza never came to training if you believe pasoti

I imagine football to be like any other job in that blaming the boss is the norm if things ain’t going well. So I would take any players criticism with a pinch of salt.

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

I imagine football to be like any other job in that blaming the boss is the norm if things ain’t going well. So I would take any players criticism with a pinch of salt.

ive seen enough with my own eyes concerning peter reid to believe the ex player who was a regular under him.

Okay. Fair enough.

Angry wrote:

Rollo Tomasi wrote:

RegGreen wrote:

Rumour the players took a dislike to him on the training pitch..by all acounts didnt like his methods..he would shout & scream at em
One player described him as having little man
Syndrome if i can remember at the time

I think you’re mistaking Reid for John Sheridan. He never tired of telling the players how good he was as a player. A nasty piece of work confirmed by his touch line rant at the fourth official last year. Now Reid’s brother could be a bit OTT but definitely not Peter Reid.

Having spoken with a player of reid's here on the subject a few years back peter was a mouthy sod on the training ground. Whether his brother was worse that i can not say but reid certainly liked a row. Shezza never came to training if you believe pasoti

no mistaking it was defo Reid my pal was a good friend of and still is of one of the players at the time