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PostSubject: Travellers    Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:26 pm

Travellers move in on to Love field after they broke the lock on the gate today
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:40 pm

Think I might get the old caravan out and park up on the hoe for a few days, wonder how long it would take for the old bill to move me on, Bleddy sight quicker than "travellers"
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:01 am

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Think I might get the old caravan out and park up on the hoe for a few days, wonder how long it would take for the old bill to move me on, Bleddy sight quicker than "travellers"

When they consider it necessary I believe the Police can move travellers off a site much quicker than we think. Where I live now a whole column of travelling folk set up camp on a building site earmarked for a new police station. The old bill had them out quicker than could say. "where's me lucky heather".
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:13 pm

Labour party manifesto 2017 - 'We will end discrimination of travellers and preserve the right to a nomadic lifestyle'
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:15 pm

I wonder if one us parked an insured/taxed Motorhome on the same site how long we would be tolerated....
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:02 pm

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Labour party manifesto 2017 - 'We will end discrimination of travellers and preserve the right to a nomadic lifestyle'

And so the discrimination should be ended. Outrageous persecution of people ever since the Enclosure acts and theft of common land. Over a few decades, this country hounded and executed 70,000 displaced people who ended up ith no resources to live off. No one, though, should bust in and pitch up in a municipal park. There is no need for that and is out of order.
Things have changed so much for the worse. I belong to a wild camping online community and I remember how it used to be. My brother and a football team mate decided to live in a van for a year in the 1980s, and spent 2 months of that parked up and around the Hoe. The police or council never moved them on and on occasion they would accept a cup of tea. There's no harm done, and a darn sight less inconvenience for local residents than the Plymouth University pitching up on the Hoe for a whole month in the last few years to give give out their gongs, something they could quite easily have done on their own land, they've got enough resources.
Oh, and one more thing, it wasn't so long ago the saintly green taverners were hoping to commandeer Loves field for their own vehicles once a week. Yet some people here would have been quite happy with that. Seems like Loves field is a popular place what with Brenty and the boys eyeing it up too, being where it is next to private football academy dreams.
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:36 pm

Every time I've had the misfortune to encounter this type, they've been pure vermin. I was having a chat with one of the park wardens on the Haven site in Perranporth. He relayed a few horrific stories regarding trying to get them off the pitches long after their allotted time was up. So much so that from next year there'll be no 'commercials' allowed on site, period.
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:38 pm

beesrus wrote:
PatDunne wrote:
Labour party manifesto 2017 - 'We will end discrimination of travellers and preserve the right to a nomadic lifestyle'

No one, though, should bust in and pitch up in a municipal park. There is no need for that and is out of order.

Some months ago not far from the main gates of RAF Fairford, a couple with a horse and gypsy-type caravan parked for a few days on an old disused drovers road. These people, while moving their horse moving around to crop the grass, kept the place spotlessly clean and left no trace when they moved on - although I wouldn't have liked to have been driving behind them when they climbed the hill out of the village.

A different story would be when Wilts CC built a travellers parking area alongside the A346 between Marlborough and Swindon. Kitted out with washing amenities and toilets and, in spite of having it a warden to oversee the site, travellers almost immediately started removing the fittings presumably to sell on for a few quid. Now, should you find yourself on the A346 heading towards Swindon, next to a small spinney you'll see a gateway with the bar locked down with concrete blocks placed in front of them.

They had it ... and then they lost it. Some people don't deserve jack sh!t.
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:04 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:37 pm

Hugh Midde wrote:
beesrus wrote:
PatDunne wrote:
Labour party manifesto 2017 - 'We will end discrimination of travellers and preserve the right to a nomadic lifestyle'

No one, though, should bust in and pitch up in a municipal park. There is no need for that and is out of order.

Some months ago not far from the main gates of RAF Fairford, a couple with a horse and gypsy-type caravan parked for a few days on an old disused drovers road. These people, while moving their horse moving around to crop the grass, kept the place spotlessly clean and left no trace when they moved on - although I wouldn't have liked to have been driving behind them when they climbed the hill out of the village.

A different story would be when Wilts CC built a travellers parking area alongside the A346 between Marlborough and Swindon. Kitted out with washing amenities and toilets and, in spite of having it a warden to oversee the site, travellers almost immediately started removing the fittings presumably to sell on for a few quid. Now, should you find yourself on the A346 heading towards Swindon, next to a small spinney you'll see a gateway with the bar locked down with concrete blocks placed in front of them.

They had it ... and then they lost it. Some people don't deserve jack sh!t.    

As one of my old teachers used to say..."if you use it, and abuse it, you will lose it".
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:48 pm

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Every time I've had the misfortune to encounter this type, they've been pure vermin.  

The same has been mentioned to me by people I know about football fans and saturday night drinkers. Behaviour is the problem, not the travelling.
There's plenty of "vermin" in Plymouth.
Still, I keep forgetting this is a football fans forum where long hair is still always treated with the caravan routine. There's a lot of saddos out there that still think Nicholson and Fonda are just starting out on their hogs.
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:14 pm

Hugh Midde wrote:
beesrus wrote:
PatDunne wrote:
Labour party manifesto 2017 - 'We will end discrimination of travellers and preserve the right to a nomadic lifestyle'

No one, though, should bust in and pitch up in a municipal park. There is no need for that and is out of order.

Some months ago not far from the main gates of RAF Fairford, a couple with a horse and gypsy-type caravan parked for a few days on an old disused drovers road. These people, while moving their horse moving around to crop the grass, kept the place spotlessly clean and left no trace when they moved on - although I wouldn't have liked to have been driving behind them when they climbed the hill out of the village.

A different story would be when Wilts CC built a travellers parking area alongside the A346 between Marlborough and Swindon. Kitted out with washing amenities and toilets and, in spite of having it a warden to oversee the site, travellers almost immediately started removing the fittings presumably to sell on for a few quid. Now, should you find yourself on the A346 heading towards Swindon, next to a small spinney you'll see a gateway with the bar locked down with concrete blocks placed in front of them.

They had it ... and then they lost it. Some people don't deserve jack sh!t.    

Spot on, there are genuine travellers and then there are the pretend travellers, Efford fort springs to mind where the desecration you describe above also happened, whereas on the roundabout off the A30 leading into Exeter every couple of months a horse drawn caravan is parked on the verge with the pony grazing, the chap is never moved on and leaves the area in clean condition, now this chap deserves tolerance and gets it, but the so called travellers bugger it up for the genuine people, so as far as I'm concerned they should be moved on pdq or arrest the lot of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:24 pm

beesrus wrote:
Czarcasm wrote:
Every time I've had the misfortune to encounter this type, they've been pure vermin.  

The same has been mentioned to me by people I know about football fans and saturday night drinkers. Behaviour is the problem, not the travelling.
There's plenty of "vermin" in Plymouth.
Still, I keep forgetting this is a football fans forum where long hair is still always treated with the caravan routine. There's a lot of saddos out there that still think Nicholson and Fonda are just starting out on their hogs.


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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:21 pm

In the last 20 minutes I have just driven past the BMW plant on Bridge End road in Swindon and one of the car parks has about eight travellers caravans park in it. I phoned the plant security and they told me that they are aware of their presence after they had gained entrance by breaking a padlock.

I welcome all (including beesrus) to check the validity of this post by ringing 01793 551000

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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:28 pm

Hugh Midde wrote:
In the last 20 minutes I have just driven past the BMW plant on Bridge End road in Swindon and one of the car parks has about eight travellers caravans park in it. I phoned the plant security and they told me that they are aware of their presence after they had gained entrance by breaking a padlock.

I welcome all (including beesrus) to check the validity of this post by ringing 01793 551000


I hasten to add that the telephone number is plant security at gate 1.
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:37 pm

beesrus wrote:
Czarcasm wrote:
Every time I've had the misfortune to encounter this type, they've been pure vermin.  

The same has been mentioned to me by people I know about football fans and saturday night drinkers. Behaviour is the problem, not the travelling.
There's plenty of "vermin" in Plymouth.
Still, I keep forgetting this is a football fans forum where long hair is still always treated with the caravan routine. There's a lot of saddos out there that still think Nicholson and Fonda are just starting out on their hogs.

Behaviour is the problem, yes. But very often behavioral patterns are inextricably linked to something else.

I can think of pretty much no better example than....being a Gypsy/Traveller, and behaving like a scrote.
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:56 pm

Hugh Midde wrote:
In the last 20 minutes I have just driven past the BMW plant on Bridge End road in Swindon and one of the car parks has about eight travellers caravans park in it. I phoned the plant security and they told me that they are aware of their presence after they had gained entrance by breaking a padlock.

I welcome all (including beesrus) to check the validity of this post by ringing 01793 551000


How are they not arrested?
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:45 pm

Because we live in a country of Bleddy political correctness, where it would appear everyone's afraid of saying or doing the wrong thing for fear of risking an "ism"
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:05 pm

Rickler wrote:
Hugh Midde wrote:
In the last 20 minutes I have just driven past the BMW plant on Bridge End road in Swindon and one of the car parks has about eight travellers caravans park in it. I phoned the plant security and they told me that they are aware of their presence after they had gained entrance by breaking a padlock.

I welcome all (including beesrus) to check the validity of this post by ringing 01793 551000


How are they not arrested?

I haven't a clue. The security bloke just said they were aware of them being there and admitted that they had force an entry by breaking the padlock on the gate. I rather hoped that someone might ring the number I provided saying they also had seen travellers on BMW property and thereby confirming my post.
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:38 am

I spent many a long Summer working at the Glastonbury festival and other smaller less known gatherings. The Green Field at Worthy that some on here might know, was totally staged and managed by the New Age travellers and remnants of the peace convoy destroyed by the police. Yes, the travellers had their brew crew, just as Argyle had TCE, but tiny minorities. It was always clean as a pin, before, during and after the main event. The travellers were appalled at what they saw as "Babylon" on the main site. Sadly disparaging but quite accurate in terms of the rubbish just dumped and dropped by the city holidaymakers. It regularly took a crew of over 100, mainly travellers by the way, two weeks to clear the main site of rubbish.... left behind by the people who didn't know how to treat the countryside and a working farm.
The green field morphed into the BIg Green Gathering and that too was always always clean as a pin for years before it was politically got rid of.
Too much bigoted hearsay and false media news out there. And anybody who thinks travellers don't get arrested is living in cloud cuckoo land. They are more likely to be arrested than ordinary folk simply by being on the road.

As an aside, the Glasto clear up this year was quick in part due to traders getting their act together, especially including the new drink plastics that no longer shatter in a thousand pieces and are not intended to be disposable. On the subject of "ecocups" that are now rightly all the rage, I was at the St Just in Penwith Lafrowda day recently and purchased a couple for £1. The pubs would wash them if you wanted while toing and froing to different establishments.  Half the cost went to the organising of next year's event, so they're cheap enough to supply, have space on them to promote any event, and they proudly sit by the sink at home.
Anyway, J Brent Esq. has got into the ecocup at the Pavillions, being the conscientious community orientated selfless hero he is, for the Pavillions cider festival coming up (AKAgreengull please note  Very Happy  ). But guess what, the caring soul will be charging £2 each for his ecocups !!! Nearly as much as the drink. Never misses a trick. I shan't be going.
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:20 am

Bees, there's a big big difference between the eco friendly new age travellers and the Irish 'travellers' who survive by either doing shoddy work for extortionate prices or other forms of theft.
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:09 am

There's plenty of shoddy builders out there, travelling or resident. It's not a race thing. In fact 2 weeks ago a local builder doing a job nearby fly tipped his roofing garbage all over our allotments. The council found details of who it was and the rubble matched the job, but it's very difficult to prosecute them because nobody actually saw them do it.. Now we're wondering how they got access as the locks weren't breached.
I'm quite aware what SOME travelling tarmac rip offs do, Les, just like the locals.
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:22 am

It's not just tarmac bees, someone close to me had his van ransacked and all his tools pilfered, they were recovered a month or two later when Irish police stopped a mob getting off the ferry home with their booty, as you say though, we've got our own ne'er do wells, but we could do without any more.
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:36 am

Anybody who has worked in building areas know how ludicrously expensive commercial tipping charges are. The community pays enough to keep our environment clean, and all spoil from our own house renovations should be disposed of free of charge to builders, no matter where they live. There are plenty of technical ways of appropriating cost.
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PostSubject: Re: Travellers    Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:40 pm

If you were the enterprising type, it was possible to make a few bob at the Euros last year. A lot of the bars in Marseille and Nice would charge an extra Euro for an eco-type plassy 'glass' for your first drink. You'd then keep using that same glass until u left, and then take it back to get your Euro back. Of course the reality was that half the people drinking couldn't be arsed to go back in and queue just to get a Euro. So you'd see people basically glass collecting and taking a dozen back to the bar and getting 12 Euro for it.
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