Tanner Released by Reading

Not sure if I'd want him to sign permanently, seemed to have too many off days for my liking. When he was on form, he was a very dangerous player, but didn't do it often enough (could have been the tactics?)

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Not 100% sure about Tanner, always seemed to me to be more effective coming off the bench than he was starting games, not for L1 for me.

Get in there Derek.

Football is full of rack and stacks these days who are loaned out to lower league clubs. The player themselves know the score and where they fit in.
Lower league club fans are grateful for any loan who can trap a ball a bit and look like they might produce, but on balance, don't.
I remember a good player called Noone that was sort of rack and stacked here, when we did that sort of thing, and passed out to Exeter ? He produced for them, and consequently was not allowed to run his contract down. Of course, he still went for diddly, because that's how the football industry works if you don't stand up for yourselves. It's quite clear Tanner isn't the bees knees, even fans down here are undecided on his input in League 2, so that would say a big fat no in league 1, shorely.
In the end, good players are not let go for nothing, well, of course unless a certain J Brent is running the show. See ya Graham.

H has his fans here but i dont believe Del bhey will attempt to sign him on permanently as he struggled to hold down a regular spot in the side.

He said he wants first team football.

Don't they all.

He'd do a good job for a lot of League 2 sides. Not good enough for us in League 1 though.

I watched Ajax tonk Lyon the other day and Ajax is the type of side that Tanner needs to play for.

I don't mean he needs a move to one of the giants of European football but that Ajax played with a verve and style that only young teams can accomplish.

Everywhere you looked they had fizz and vigour, played fast but short passes with lots of give and go. A joy to watch, in fact.

His problem is that at L2 level nobody is likely to play like that with shape bots and hoof being more valued but if he can find a move to a young, vibrant team then I'm sure he would not look out of place and excel. If I were him I'd be checking out Accrington and Crewe as perfect destinations with half an eye, even, on our striped friends up the road.

I like the lad if iam honest i think he would be a good squad player in L1 the kinda last 20mins impact sub from the bench type . Plus the boy seems settled down here after what was nearly a 2yr loan deal in all as i said id sign him we could do a lot worse

RegGreen wrote:

I like the lad if iam honest i think he would be a good squad player in L1 the kinda last 20mins impact sub from the bench type . Plus the boy seems settled down here after what was nearly a 2yr loan deal in all as i said id sign him we could do  a lot worse

Agree!
Plus Derek has always talked him up, and Tanner likewise.
Would think the player would relish the idea of playing several games in league 1

would also like to sign him, he is young and has room to grow

whether or not we can offer him the game time he wants is another thing, though if he performs i dont see any reason why he couldnt feature more regularly

Yep, like others I have good reason to trust Adams judgement in player selection, he is not an armchair pundit like us lot.

History would confirm that armchair pundits are as right as managers. Some teams succeed, some fail.
I also agree Adams is the best manager by far Argyle have had since Holloway, but it's all down to his methods, not necessarily the quality of player he gets in. What Francis rightly called shape bots. Paint drying comes to mind.

akagreengull wrote:

Yep,  like others I have good reason to trust Adams judgement in player selection,  he is not an armchair pundit like us lot.

We armchair pundits certainly got it wrong big style last summer-plenty of people on here, myself very much included, were sceptical to say the least about many of the signings but they proved us wrong and obviously gave the lie to the theory that methods are the main criteria in Adams success above the quality of player. Anyone who saw players like Bradley and Fox in action on a more than sporadic basis would confirm that the additional quality was the key difference compared to the previous season, supplemented of course by the crucial January signings. There will need to be a similar influx of players who can cope with the demands of the higher league-there is a gap, emphasised by the adequate but not earth shattering results obtained by the teams promoted from league 2 last season. Let's hope DA is given enough backing to bring this about.

I didn't get it wrong. Adams' record at Ross County for a young gun was clear enough before he started here..... he's got a system that brings results at a certain level, albeit horrible to watch.
I was ignorant as to whether his system involves good or bad players, and I still am.
I don't think there is much of a gap between league 2 and league 1 in general apart from 2 or 3 teams at the top going to proper pastures, just a slightly different style required. Dare I say just a tad more football. Many of us fans have seen many times just what sort of quality is needed to get out of the third division. In fact, thinking about it, every promotion team at Argyle from this division has been good to watch in a football sense. I Wonder if Del has clocked it yet and whether he's worried about that given Carey may well be on his way. The manager is a quick learner though, unlike his employer.

beesrus wrote:

History would confirm that armchair pundits are as right as managers. Some teams succeed, some fail.
I also agree Adams is the best manager by far Argyle have had since Holloway, but it's all down to his methods, not necessarily the quality of player he gets in. What Francis rightly called shape bots. Paint drying comes to mind.

What comes to mind also though, is that possibly Adams biggest detractor on these Boards in terms of his perceived methods, is someone that doesn't watch him. A bit like constantly complaining how crap a film is, when you've only watched 5 minutes of it and don't intend to watch the rest. You're very much subconsciously trying to justify to yourself why you don't go, though I'm not sure you realise it. No matter how much you bang on about Brent being the owner and your morality, that's all a smokescreen really. Because otherwise even if you can't stand Adams football you'd have been a regular away attendee under Shez. Which you weren't.

You do come across as a bit of a fraud who will clutch at any perceived moral excuse not to attend - something like the extra £2 for POTD, for example.

Just be honest with yourself Beez, there's plenty on these Boards that don't go, but also they don't feel the need to constantly justify why.

Czarcasm wrote:

beesrus wrote:

History would confirm that armchair pundits are as right as managers. Some teams succeed, some fail.
I also agree Adams is the best manager by far Argyle have had since Holloway, but it's all down to his methods, not necessarily the quality of player he gets in. What Francis rightly called shape bots. Paint drying comes to mind.

What comes to mind also though, is that possibly Adams biggest detractor on these Boards in terms of his perceived methods, is someone that doesn't watch him. A bit like constantly complaining how crap a film is, when you've only watched 5 minutes of it and don't intend to watch the rest. You're very much subconsciously trying to justify to yourself why you don't go, though I'm not sure you realise it. No matter how much you bang on about Brent being the owner and your morality, that's all a smokescreen really. Because otherwise even if you can't stand Adams football you'd have been a regular away attendee under Shez. Which you weren't.

You do come across as a bit of a fraud who will clutch at any perceived moral excuse not to attend - something like the extra £2 for POTD, for example.

Just be honest with yourself Beez, there's plenty on these Boards that don't go, but also they don't feel the need to constantly justify why.

Arm chair punditry bollox we all do it.
Fact is Adams in two seasons got us into a play off final and secured second place automatic promotion,
at second attempt.
In very simple terms, club with unfulfilled potential, effective ambitious manager, crap small-minded owner.
That's what we have.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

I watched Ajax tonk Lyon the other day and Ajax is the type of side that Tanner needs to play for.

I don't mean he needs a move to one of the giants of European football but that Ajax played with a verve and style that only young teams can accomplish.

Everywhere you looked they had fizz and vigour, played fast but short passes with lots of give and go. A joy to watch, in fact.

His problem is that at L2 level nobody is likely to play like that with shape bots and hoof being more valued but if he can find a move to a young, vibrant team then I'm sure he would not look out of place and excel. If I were him I'd be checking out Accrington and Crewe as perfect destinations with half an eye, even, on our striped friends up the road.

From the few times I've seen Tanner play, I think this is closest to the truth. Tanner has ability, I watched him terrorise Luton away last year.

Adams' philosophy is closer to Pulis' 'aaaarrrrdddd work' than the Ajax total football tradition, which is why he doesn't fit in.

Innocent Egbunike wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

I watched Ajax tonk Lyon the other day and Ajax is the type of side that Tanner needs to play for.

I don't mean he needs a move to one of the giants of European football but that Ajax played with a verve and style that only young teams can accomplish.

Everywhere you looked they had fizz and vigour, played fast but short passes with lots of give and go. A joy to watch, in fact.

His problem is that at L2 level nobody is likely to play like that with shape bots and hoof being more valued but if he can find a move to a young, vibrant team then I'm sure he would not look out of place and excel. If I were him I'd be checking out Accrington and Crewe as perfect destinations with half an eye, even, on our striped friends up the road.

From the few times I've seen Tanner play, I think this is closest to the truth. Tanner has ability, I watched him terrorise Luton away last year.

Adams' philosophy is closer to Pulis' 'aaaarrrrdddd work' than the Ajax total football tradition, which is why he doesn't fit in.

Carey and Fox?

Czarcasm wrote:

beesrus wrote:

History would confirm that armchair pundits are as right as managers. Some teams succeed, some fail.
I also agree Adams is the best manager by far Argyle have had since Holloway, but it's all down to his methods, not necessarily the quality of player he gets in. What Francis rightly called shape bots. Paint drying comes to mind.

What comes to mind also though, is that possibly Adams biggest detractor on these Boards in terms of his perceived methods, is someone that doesn't watch him. A bit like constantly complaining how crap a film is, when you've only watched 5 minutes of it and don't intend to watch the rest. You're very much subconsciously trying to justify to yourself why you don't go, though I'm not sure you realise it. No matter how much you bang on about Brent being the owner and your morality, that's all a smokescreen really. Because otherwise even if you can't stand Adams football you'd have been a regular away attendee under Shez. Which you weren't.

You do come across as a bit of a fraud who will clutch at any perceived moral excuse not to attend - something like the extra £2 for POTD, for example.

Just be honest with yourself Beez, there's plenty on these Boards that don't go, but also they don't feel the need to constantly justify why.

Wanting to justify myself here on ATD is frankly laughable.
I just like talking football sometimes even though I am at present a Kitty Jay. It has been abig part ofmy life in the past.
You may not act on who and what you associate yourself with, but I do, as best I can, most of the time but not all of the time. Just a human trying my best. Sorry if that mystifies you Czarky. Obviously not something you do in your life, given your cynicism. Cheer up

Greenskin wrote:

Innocent Egbunike wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

I watched Ajax tonk Lyon the other day and Ajax is the type of side that Tanner needs to play for.

I don't mean he needs a move to one of the giants of European football but that Ajax played with a verve and style that only young teams can accomplish.

Everywhere you looked they had fizz and vigour, played fast but short passes with lots of give and go. A joy to watch, in fact.

His problem is that at L2 level nobody is likely to play like that with shape bots and hoof being more valued but if he can find a move to a young, vibrant team then I'm sure he would not look out of place and excel. If I were him I'd be checking out Accrington and Crewe as perfect destinations with half an eye, even, on our striped friends up the road.

From the few times I've seen Tanner play, I think this is closest to the truth. Tanner has ability, I watched him terrorise Luton away last year.

Adams' philosophy is closer to Pulis' 'aaaarrrrdddd work' than the Ajax total football tradition, which is why he doesn't fit in.

Carey and Fox?

I certainly wouldn't say Carey is a Shape Bot - he has far more about him than that - but he does acquiesce to the team ethic and works like a trojan: always looking for the ball, tracks back, plays his best where he is asked to etc.

Fox on the other hand is a perfect Shape Bot: always there in front of the back four, rarely over-commits going forward, re-cycles possession quickly. He also has decent ability in terms of first touch, eye for a pass and possesses a sweet right foot for set pieces.

Shape Bots aren't necessarily just talentless lunks: you only have to look at any Mourinho team to see that.

What the hell is a shape bot? I've no idea.

What does recycles possession mean. Does it mean he keeps the ball?

A talentless lunk? Clueless.

It used to be such a simple game.

The game has completely gone up its own arse, watched yesterday's M.O.D. this morning.
The Chelsea v West Brom game, showed Pullis sending on a player clutching a piece of paper with playing instructions, which he continued to look at while jogging around.
Jeez what the hell has it come to, don't think George Best or Jimmy Greaves needed written instructions how to play for fecks sake.