Xthrobber on top throbbing form over Pompey Cash.....

Giving a choice between Abramovich, 15 trophies in fourteen years, or Brentovich six years in the EFL Basement, i would go for a serious loaded buisness man every time!! and as for a trust run club who could forget Honest Wozzer, or Bungling bob? Trusts are a very very last resort for me, argo have been shit for practically their entire history because they have never been owned by anyone with the ambition or the means to rise above being average /crap.

I've never really understood the desire in those who lean to the right politically for a benefactor to come along and pump money in. It is antithetical to everything they propound in political terms. Rather than relying on somebody else to charitably bail you out isn't the ethos of the right that you stand and fall on your own merits and devil take the hindmost? I thought it was us Lefties who wanted to recklessly spend other people's money? (Something I have never advocated by the way.)

Obviously I am a lefty so I might have misunderstood but it certainly seems that way to me.

sufferedsince 68 wrote:

Giving a choice between Abramovich, 15 trophies in fourteen years, or Brentovich six years in the EFL Basement, i would go for a serious loaded buisness man every time!! and as for a trust run club who could forget Honest Wozzer, or Bungling bob? Trusts are a very very last resort for me, argo have been shit for practically their entire history because they have never been owned by anyone with the ambition or the means to rise above being average /crap.

McCauley was the man who could have. And nearly did.

It isn't a straight choice between Abramovich and Brent though is it? In truth I'd rather have nought to do with either of them.

Like I said for me the integrity is important. Just imagine being a West Ham fan and having to look up at a bunch of pornographers in their boardroom. I'd hate to have to do that.

How would we feel if Kim Jong Wotsit from Pyongyang suddenly took and interest and bought Argyle. I'm sure he'd put loads of money in if he did. Does it not matter where the cash comes from at all?

If for you it doesn't then fine. I get that. It's not for me though.

Greenskin wrote:

Ever considered the idea that it may have been private owners who simply were not up to the task of progressing Argyle beyond a certain level

Yes, I have actually. It's quite a common theme over the last 100 years. Might be something wrong in the model, but hey ............  #newsquirewanted  
Give me a Dynamo or a Rapide Argyle, that's got to be worth a punt. A Steaua would suit Muff for obvious reasons.
Tribe is easy when you take out the skimmers.

beesrus wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Ever considered the idea that it may have been private owners who simply were not up to the task of progressing Argyle beyond a certain level

Yes, I have actually. It's quite a common theme over the last 100 years. Might be something wrong in the model, but hey ............  #newsquirewanted  
Give me a Dynamo or a Rapide Argyle, that's got to be worth a punt. A Steaua would suit Muff for obvious reasons.
Tribe is easy when you take out the skimmers.

Hey that's really esoteric maaaaan.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

I've never really understood the desire in those who lean to the right politically for a benefactor to come along and pump money in.

...and I've never really understood the desire in those who lean to the left's political resistance to a benefactor coming along and pumping money in.

That's the problem with you muffians, you''ve been directed so far from reality, you think bulk standard community speak is esoteric.
#joinvichypasoti

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

So the pinnacle of your ambition is Tier 2?

Like I have already said I'm sure a Trust owned club could match that.

You've been "sure" about quite a few things in the not too distant that have turned out to be utter pony.

Are there or have there ever been trust run clubs in the top two tiers of English football?

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

How would we feel if Kim Jong Wotsit from Pyongyang suddenly took and interest and bought Argyle. I'm sure he'd put loads of money in if he did. Does it not matter where the cash comes from at all?

If for you it doesn't then fine. I get that. It's not for me though.

Is Nikkks cash ok with you?

Who is okay with you to run the trust? I am sure Nool and Webb would be fine with half the fan base?

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

How would we feel if Kim Jong Wotsit from Pyongyang suddenly took and interest and bought Argyle. I'm sure he'd put loads of money in if he did. Does it not matter where the cash comes from at all?

If for you it doesn't then fine. I get that. It's not for me though.

I don't think you even realise what you're writing half the time Franny. In another post somewhere you go on about how you'd enjoy the ride like anyone else if a benefactor came it. Hypocritical bollocks, as usual.

No. Hypocrisy would be claiming that I wouldn't go ape if we won the cup with a 90th minute winner no matter who owned the club.

Honesty is saying I'd prefer the money to be earned not bludged, clean not dirty and ours not charity.

Les Miserable wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

So the pinnacle of your ambition is Tier 2?

Like I have already said I'm sure a Trust owned club could match that.

You've been "sure" about quite a few things in the not too distant that have turned out to be utter pony.

Are there or have there ever been trust run clubs in the top two tiers of English football?

Swansea and Bournemouth.

Who needed huge cash injections to help them on the way, funnily enough.

Greenskin wrote:

Les Miserable wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

So the pinnacle of your ambition is Tier 2?

Like I have already said I'm sure a Trust owned club could match that.

You've been "sure" about quite a few things in the not too distant that have turned out to be utter pony.

Are there or have there ever been trust run clubs in the top two tiers of English football?

Swansea and Bournemouth.

Who needed huge cash injections to help them on the way, funnily enough.

Now or in the past?

Pretty sure Swansea are yank owned and Bournemouth Russian.

All the top premier clubs are massively, mahoosively, exponentially, in debt. And where did these owners earn their money in the first place ? It's all a sad joke. And yet it's the trust model that is berated for not being sustainable. arf arf.
Football economics is corrupt beyond saving. Johnathan Johnathan

beesrus wrote:

All the top premier clubs are massively, mahoosively, exponentially, in debt. And where did these owners earn their money in the first place ? It's all a sad joke. And yet it's the trust model that is berated for not being sustainable. arf arf.
Football economics is corrupt beyond saving. Johnathan Johnathan

I don't think the trust model is being berated for not being sustainable. It's being berated for being unable to bring "success" to a English football club. Success being a little more than plodding along.

Rickler wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

I'd rather not have a benefactor at all; I'd prefer us to be Trust owned.

...and the successful English league 'Trust' owned clubs are?

Resounding silence...

The most successful period in my lifetime at this club was the early for fans, by fans, where fans/board members actually put in their own money. About the nearest this club ever got to proper ownership. And then in came the executive global profiteers turning heads and painting fake pictures.

Things change, cultures adapt. One day, most clubs will be fan owned, although the real estate/branding will have long been taken out of the equation by those who value such things.
It's no secret that the English model in anything doesn't represent the grass roots. Barcelona and Bayern are European examples of a more broad approach, and there are many many others. The English down trodden fan will one day wake up, but that fan will have to stop reading crap first.
The biggest danger to the traditional "soccer" culture is the American franchise culture that exists in it's sport as it does in everything, when corporate brand is more important that local allegiance. I have noted the first official murmurings of Argyle and Torquay United sharing some of their resources and youth players. Madejski comes to mind with his ill judged Thames Valley nonsense.