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Rollo Tomasi



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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:14 am

Lest we forget, the tories won 49% of the vote and 50+ seats more than labour. They are ruthless in their quest for power and will do whatever is required to keep it.
Your points are valid regarding the DUP although it proves my point above.
I don't agree with your peace process thinking. The IRA were losing support after Enniskillen (which even MacGuiness thought went to far) yet Blair was too eager to make the deal. He gave away far too much, especially the granting of immunity letters for IRA murderers. Yet he put nothing in place for British soldiers.
Corbyns' time has come but it's not a given.
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:39 am

Rollo Tomasi wrote:
Lest we forget, the tories won 49% of the vote and 50+ seats more than labour. They are ruthless in their quest for power and will do whatever is required to keep it.
Your points are valid regarding the DUP although it proves my point above.
I don't agree with your peace process thinking. The IRA were losing support after Enniskillen (which even MacGuiness thought went to far) yet Blair was too eager to make the deal. He gave away far too much, especially the granting of immunity letters for IRA murderers. Yet he put nothing in place for British soldiers.
Corbyns' time has come but it's not a given.

The Tories won 43% of the vote, not 49%. You are Philip Hammond, and I claim my £5.
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:04 am

My 49% refers to the seats obtained and not the individual votes. Not obvious I admit.
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:29 pm

Rollo Tomasi wrote:
My 49% refers to the seats obtained and not the individual votes. Not obvious I admit.

So when you said '49% of the vote....?' lol!
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:05 pm

Guess that I qualify for shadow Home Secretary then.
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:38 pm

Rollo Tomasi wrote:
Guess that I qualify for shadow Home Secretary then.

Shadow Home Sec - 34000 constituency majority
Actual Home Sec - 346 constituency majority

I know which one I'd rather be
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:52 pm

Startled by a post on freechat clearly from an older gentleman whose name I wont say but crtitical of a  JL comment on a  thread whereby any support of labour brands you a terrorist hugger...
I would have booted the geezer off in 5 seconds for implying that, shocking simple as...
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:56 pm

Eh, freechat harv.
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:53 am

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Eh, freechat harv.

Hell I try to stick within some boundary despite despising brent and I consider admins JL Richard Blight and Tim Chown incredibly fair, but that comment was discraceful. That was an instant dismissal in my mind even more so because of recent events. The comment is still there now
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:46 pm

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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:52 pm

Polls are now beginning to show Labour passing the tories by quite some degree. The media inspired bogey man thing has been dispelled, and the working class or whatever it's called these days, is believing in itself, and real social representation might be on the cards. Can't see May hanging on for that long............ an absolute car crash for the tories, and their roulette crap is now being seen for what it is. There's a lot of angry people out there wanting proper representation.
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:24 am

The constant beatings handed out to Corbyn have been completely counter productive. After the Trump and Brexit votes, they should have learnt there are a great many people these days that are angry at being told to shut up and listen to an establishment that has done nothing to make their lives better.

The Tories simply can't put a foot right and are starting to look knackered and running out of ideas like Major in 1997 and Broon in 2010.

There will have to be another election. Theresa May will either to have govern in a hung parliament or go to the country again with a new leader. The DUP alliance is just doomed to fail.
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:26 pm

Major ran out of ideas in 1992. May will survive until late 2018 then Boris will reign
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:06 pm

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Major ran out of ideas in 1992. May will survive until late 2018 then Boris will reign

Certain Tories will stop at nothing to prevent Boris becoming leader. It's partly why May is still Allowed to continue.
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:46 am

Hugh Watt wrote:
Elias wrote:
Major ran out of ideas in 1992. May will survive until late 2018 then Boris will reign

Certain Tories will stop at nothing to prevent Boris becoming leader. It's partly why May is still Allowed to continue.


Court jesters are there for making merriment....not to be in charge.

Thankfully Michael Gove saved us last year from yet another member of the Bullingdon Club wreaking more havoc on our country.

Boris has no strong beliefs....he just follows the main chance.....that was why he took awhile to decide if he was a remainer or a brexiteer before last years in or out referendum vote.....and Gove realized just in time how shallow the man really is......stopping him from going for PM.....that's the only job he want's.....please don't let it ever happen.


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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:16 am

zyph wrote:
Hugh Watt wrote:
Elias wrote:
Major ran out of ideas in 1992. May will survive until late 2018 then Boris will reign

Certain Tories will stop at nothing to prevent Boris becoming leader. It's partly why May is still Allowed to continue.


Court jesters are there for making merriment....not to be in charge.

Thankfully Michael Gove saved us last year from yet another member of the Bullingdon Club wreaking more havoc on our country.

Boris has no strong beliefs....he just follows the main chance.....that was why he took awhile to decide if he was a remainer or a brexiteer before last years in or out referendum vote.....and Gove realized just in time how shallow the man really is......stopping him from going for PM.....that's the only job he want's.....please don't let it ever happen.



Got it in one, hard not to suspect that Gove was on manoeuvres from the start on behalf of his real boss Rupert Murdoch who quickly gave him a job as a columnist after he was sacked by The Maybot. Bojo has long traded on being a posh buffoon which masks a ruthless, cunning and single minded indvidual, oh look he's insulted Bulgaria, now that scamp has just told the Italian Foreign office to "Go privk thy face"....

You correctly identify Boris's decision to come out for Brexit as a purely opportunistic manoevre based on the scenario of a narrow win for remain, Cameron to leave as planned in 2018 and Boris to offer a pro-leave option. The eventual narrow win for leave ironically destroyed all his hopes. Not that he would have been knifed anyway as the bulk of the Tory party despise him, seeing him as an ex hack who got parachuted into 2 safe seats. Unless the way in which the Conservatives carry out there business changes suddenly there is no chance of him becoming leader.

Quite who becomes leader is less obvious, its even possible that May hangs on.
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:32 am

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VillageGreen wrote:

I would rather back May than a communist like Corbyn. He is a friend of the terrorist and a bad, bad choice for Labour leader. He has to go, and go now.

There is no room or desire for the left-wing policies that Corbyn preaches. We live and breath globalisation today and that will not change. Left-wing ideology is a thing of the past and that should be expressed much more. Left-wing views and policies are not the way forward.

Have you seen Tweeza's latest mates, Village ?  raised eyebrow  
And just how do you think peace was achieved in Northern Ireland ? don't tell me, nobody spoke to the terrorists.
Chris Leslie knows about as much of the public anger as the rest of his Tory lite Blairite mates. He couldn't have been more wrong about everything since he landed his gig.  Deselect him. And, rather than give credit to Corbyn for his policies, the line now for you head in the sand old geeza Tories is it was all May's fault.  Razz  Razz  Razz . The truth is May's social care plans and coming more general attack on pensioners ARE part of Tory policy, with or without May, and the electorate are starting to twig. Their think tanks have been bad mouthing those greedy baby boomers since 2010, waiting for some of the mud to stick. They're slowly being crowbarred into the "undeserving" category along with the disabled and unemployed. As Tony Blair once said " We're all undeserving now". And, have you actually listened to a living breathing teacher lately as to what's going on underneath the radar ?

After probably the biggest ever slagging off in history of a Labour leader by the establishment press and his own MPs, I'm amazed Corbyn did so well at such short notice. That indicates a ground swell that will only continue. People are warming to the so-called communist terrorist.
There's millions of throw away sayings out there.... here's one ... Revolution seems impossible until it becomes inevitable. Do you really think "things are going to get better" for the working zero hours gig generation under this present way of doing things dominated by corporations with too much unelected power and self interest ? Stick to yer silly forecasting league goonery, it's where you're at.

PS Who understands globalisation more ? Corbyn who wants to keep the single market, or the Tories that want to close the borders ? get real.




The way everything is going at the moment, another general election is highly likely. The Tories and the DUP were said to be at loggerheads (not Bide-A-Wee) yesterday and a deal has been said to be hard to reach, but people were hopeful that today
(22/6/17) would possibly seal it.

If another general election does take place in the next few weeks or months, could Corbyn and Labour win ?. One or two policies were ok during their campaign. I disagreed with the idea of totally scrapping the tuition fees in principle and I disagreed with taxing the rich more.

Students get a free education from Infant to Secondary school age. I feel that they should pay something once a University place is a awarded, although not the astronomical fees they currently pay (half of what is now paid would be an acceptable offering, with the Government paying the other half). I think that would be fair. The Universities would however have to play their part in how they handle the finance they are receiving and what sort of degree is being offered. Not an easy ask though.

As for those who do not go to University and opt for a training based career road ahead via the local College, that is a tricky one. Perhaps that could be absolute free (more so than it is currently) ?.

For adult education or furthering career opportunities for adults, a similar idea to University student fees could possibly be afforded.

Finally, for all those who are out of work and claiming whatever sort of benefits, decent educational and/or training courses should be offered as they are now, free. The DWP need to offer better choices of educational avenues than they are at present.

The country is beginning to see a shortage of the skilled worker, Government can and should address this much more than they do currently. With Brexit now kicking in, the situation will get far worse before it gets better.

A good number of the rich of this country have grafted long and hard for what they have got and I think it would be unfair to tax them more. They could easily say goodbye and move elsewhere. I know there is a big difference between the working rich and the Aristocracy, taxes could be revised accordingly to each and they both pay their accorded dues.

The Tories are walking on thin ice and will be challenged at every step, especially by Corbyn, that will see the thin ice crack open a treat. May looks uncomfortable as it is, she will be even more so if (and when) it all goes wobbly. We could well be preparing ourselves for a Tory leadership race sometime soon. That could be a Davies Vs Boris bout, seeing as those two names high on the list.

As for globalisation, I can't see it ending in my lifetime (it may well decrease ever so slightly, granted) regardless of Trump, Brexit, et al. I believe China will become a more prominent player (more so than what it has been) over the next decade or so, especially in technology to combat climate change.

I do not think a script writer could make up any of what is happening in the UK for a political film of Great Britain.
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