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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:05 pm

it was Boris guilty of rendition wasn't it, not Robin Cook?
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:13 pm

Tuition fees introduced by Labour.
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:16 pm

U turn on NHS rise welcomed by Labour. Shadow Chancellor who described it as a kick in the teeth for the self employed.

I could go on and on, but facts huh.....
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:21 pm

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I agree with SFD. Everything was great with Gordon in charge, and no foodbanks with Labour either.

The existence of foodbanks at all in a country as wealthy as ours is a disgrace.

Here's the actual numbers run by the Trussell Trust since the last Labour government (in red) through the coalition years to 2015-16 (in blue).

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Labour Foodbanks= 25,899
Current Roodbanks = 1,109.309

That's an increase of 4283% (approximately).

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Facts, huh...


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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:22 pm

PatDunne wrote:
it was Boris guilty of rendition wasn't it, not Robin Cook?

Firstly I have no idea and secondly he's not up for election.


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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:23 pm

PatDunne wrote:
Tuition fees introduced by Labour.

They were and I was wholeheartedly against them then too.
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:25 pm

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U turn on NHS rise welcomed by Labour. Shadow Chancellor who described it as a kick in the teeth for the self employed.

I could go on and on, but facts huh.....

This is also probably easily rebutted but I don't even begin to understand the point you're making.

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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:36 pm

He's won me over.
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Mon May 01, 2017 8:09 pm

I normally vote Labour, but will not this time.

I may have to vote for the Tories, first time ever. Or not vote at all ?.



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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Mon May 01, 2017 9:36 pm

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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Mon May 01, 2017 10:48 pm

Sir Francis Drake wrote:
PatDunne wrote:
I agree with SFD. Everything was great with Gordon in charge, and no foodbanks with Labour either.

The existence of foodbanks at all in a country as wealthy as ours is a disgrace.

Here's the actual numbers run by the Trussell Trust since the last Labour government (in red) through the coalition years to 2015-16 (in blue).

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Labour Foodbanks= 25,899
Current Roodbanks = 1,109.309

That's an increase of 4283% (approximately).

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Facts, huh...

Might the increase in some part be due to the fact that the Trussell trust only operated two food banks in 2004 but since then has vastly expanded its operation on a year by year basis?
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Mon May 01, 2017 10:52 pm

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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Mon May 01, 2017 11:29 pm

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Sir Francis Drake wrote:
PatDunne wrote:
I agree with SFD. Everything was great with Gordon in charge, and no foodbanks with Labour either.

The existence of foodbanks at all in a country as wealthy as ours is a disgrace.

Here's the actual numbers run by the Trussell Trust since the last Labour government (in red) through the coalition years to 2015-16 (in blue).

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Labour Foodbanks= 25,899
Current Roodbanks = 1,109.309

That's an increase of 4283% (approximately).

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Facts, huh...

Might the increase in some part be due to the fact that the Trussell trust only operated two food banks in 2004 but since then has vastly expanded its operation on a year by year basis?

Well they'd never be able to give out over 1m food parcels from only 2, would they?... So... yes.

Do you think it is excusable that working nurses, policemen or servicemen need to rely on food parcels because they can't afford to feed themselves?

Or that there is the need for the general expansion every year since 2004?

As a country are we so poor we have to do this at all? No. It is a choice. You choose to excuse it and I choose to condemn it.

There's the party divide right there.
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Tue May 02, 2017 7:33 am

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Well they'd never be able to give out over 1m food parcels from only 2, would they?... So... yes.

Do you think it is excusable that working nurses, policemen or servicemen need to rely on food parcels because they can't afford to feed themselves?

Or that there is the need for the general expansion every year since 2004?

As a country are we so poor we have to do this at all? No. It is a choice. You choose to excuse it and I choose to condemn it.

There's the party divide right there.

Totally agree that the need for any food banks is a complete disgrace but Police officers ? really ?
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Tue May 02, 2017 8:14 am

Police officers earn more in overtime than many of us ever earned in a years wages.....accepting foodbank hand-outs should be reported to the police if that's what they're doing....hmm problem there I think.
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Tue May 02, 2017 9:40 am

"To add to the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] interview. Last week I was at a Force welfare meeting where food vouchers were being issued to officers." - John Apted, Chair of Hampshire Police Federation (A voice for police officers working across Hampshire and the IOW. Serving police officer for 24 years.)

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So it's OK for nurses (who also do lots of overtime) to use foodbanks but not coppers?

Is that what you are saying?
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Tue May 02, 2017 9:47 am

Sir Francis Drake wrote:
Greenskin wrote:
Sir Francis Drake wrote:
PatDunne wrote:
I agree with SFD. Everything was great with Gordon in charge, and no foodbanks with Labour either.

The existence of foodbanks at all in a country as wealthy as ours is a disgrace.

Here's the actual numbers run by the Trussell Trust since the last Labour government (in red) through the coalition years to 2015-16 (in blue).

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Labour Foodbanks= 25,899
Current Roodbanks = 1,109.309

That's an increase of 4283% (approximately).

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Facts, huh...

Might the increase in some part be due to the fact that the Trussell trust only operated two food banks in 2004 but since then has vastly expanded its operation on a year by year basis?

Well they'd never be able to give out over 1m food parcels from only 2, would they?... So... yes.

Do you think it is excusable that working nurses, policemen or servicemen need to rely on food parcels because they can't afford to feed themselves?

Or that there is the need for the general expansion every year since 2004?

As a country are we so poor we have to do this at all? No. It is a choice. You choose to excuse it and I choose to condemn it.

There's the party divide right there.

Where exactly did I "excuse it"? Rather presumptuous about the party divide as well, seeing as I've never voted Tory in my life and come from a committed Labour voting family. It was a perfectly reasonable question to ask in the overall context of the poverty issue-some follow up questions would be to ask if the Trussell trust has to some extent taken over the work that the Salvation army or other bodies did before their own rise to prominence, whether others have become more aware of the problem and are prepared to contribute more accordingly or if the Trussell trust has been able to expand as its resources increased. Just trying to establish if the 4283% represents a true reflection of a poverty increase which, presumptuously speaking, your previous post seemed to imply.
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Tue May 02, 2017 11:50 am

They are the only figures I could find.

I wouldn't expect the Salvation Army to have stopped their charitable efforts but have no data to compare the uptake of their services...

I don't know who organises the operation but the Soup Wagon does a round every night to provide food for the homeless but that's a different thing and won't be in the food bank figures.

I was leaving El Maritimo on The Hoe one night last summer as it got dark. All of a sudden on the main drag along The Hoe that had been empty was suddenly quite heavily populated... "What's going on here?" I said to Mrs D. As we turned the corner by The Dome we found out: it was Soup Wagon time. That was a sobering there-but-for-the-grace-of-God moment, I can tell you.

Might that have been the Salvation Army?

While on that subject there's over 250,000 homeless people in the UK.

It's just not good enough. We are a wealthy country. We do not need to allow this. Homelessness and Food Banks are choices we make as a country to accept because there's no money to be made from the poorest in our society, is there?
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Tue May 02, 2017 12:07 pm

Good grief, god help us if this shower are miraculously elected.

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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Tue May 02, 2017 12:23 pm

Quick! Change the subject!

This homelessness/food banks thing is a topic we just can't win on...
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Tue May 02, 2017 1:00 pm

Les Miserable wrote:
Good grief, god help us if this shower are miraculously elected.

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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Tue May 02, 2017 1:01 pm

Angry wrote:
Les Miserable wrote:
Good grief, god help us if this shower are miraculously elected.

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Media Whore and nothing more is old Diane.


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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Tue May 02, 2017 2:41 pm

A friend of mine is a PCSO. She's on £26k a year basic wage. Real coppers are on significantly more as a basic wage, let alone any overtime they choose to work.

If a number of them are begging at a Foodbank, they ought to be making an appointment to get some simple tuition on the most basic of financial planning. They are literally taking the food out of the mouths of people trying to get by on about a third of their salary.
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Tue May 02, 2017 3:05 pm

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

I was leaving El Maritimo on The Hoe one night last summer as it got dark.

Think yourself lucky that you got a seat. It's normally full of coppers having their hours break.
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PostSubject: Re: General Election June 8th 2017   Tue May 02, 2017 4:42 pm

Rollo Tomasi wrote:
Sir Francis Drake wrote:

I was leaving El Maritimo on The Hoe one night last summer as it got dark.

Think yourself lucky that you got a seat. It's normally full of coppers having their hours break.

Franny was there buying them all Tapas to save them the indignity of queuing up at the food bank cheers
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