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But we are minting an anniversary 50p coin. Does that count for nothing?
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From what I have read Hammond, a firm remainer, refused to spend the money on preparation for Brexit or even a no deal.

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I am looking forward to my new bloo passport.

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Earwegoagain wrote:
But we are minting an anniversary 50p coin. Does that count for nothing?

About 37p compared to now by the time it gets minted.
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Soon be free
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Free of what?

What are you stopped from doing now?
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PatDunne wrote:
Soon be free

YES! cheers parteeeeee dnc

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We're not even out of Europe and weve already ended austerity. cheers
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Maybe bank failures  and austerity  for ordinary folk were concocted elsewhere...the EU was just another late player of that game. In fact, I seem to remember the "property wheeze" that caused it all started in the US and UK. Guess who is going to be our biggest partner in the not too distant, especially in the privatised NHS. Frying pan and fires. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz boring now. Little will change, most of all immigration that was a big driver for some. No change, a bit like Argyle under Hallett I suspect, but I will hold judgement until he actually says anything about anything.
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Let's all have a no deal, let's all have a no deal. Lalalalala, lalalalala! parteeeeee
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Sir Francis Drake wrote:
Free of what?

What are you stopped from doing now?


Ask the Italians...


The European Commission has told Italy to revise its budget, an unprecedented move with regard to an EU member state.

The Commission is worried about the impact of higher spending on already high levels of debt in Italy, the eurozone's third-biggest economy.

Italy's governing populist parties have vowed to push ahead with campaign promises including a minimum income for the unemployed.

The country now has three weeks to submit a new, draft budget to Brussels.

The Commission said the first draft represented a "particularly serious non-compliance" with its recommendations.
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PatDunne wrote:
Sir Francis Drake wrote:
Free of what?

What are you stopped from doing now?


Ask the Italians...


The European Commission has told Italy to revise its budget, an unprecedented move with regard to an EU member state.

The Commission is worried about the impact of higher spending on already high levels of debt in Italy, the eurozone's third-biggest economy.

Italy's governing populist parties have vowed to push ahead with campaign promises including a minimum income for the unemployed.

The country now has three weeks to submit a new, draft budget to Brussels.

The Commission said the first draft represented a "particularly serious non-compliance" with its recommendations.

Anyone but the politically blinkered can see the direction the EU is going. Winners and losers in the EU gravy train but if you lose expect to be trampled into the earth like Greece was. It's not a Union in the true sense it's way too adversarial. No deal now.
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The EU would not allow the UK to renationalise it's railway network and remove private companies from it.
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PatDunne wrote:
The EU would not allow the UK to renationalise it's railway network and remove private companies from it.

Nonsense. For starters The French railway is state owned, the German railway is state owned, the Italian railway is state owned, the Dutch railway is state owned

In fact the UK railway network is state owned. We have this incredibly messy system where private compnaies "bid" to operate franchises they don't own anything.

You still haven't said what you expect to be free from, straight bananas?
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The European Parliament’s decision this week to back the opening up of all rail routes across the EU to more competition for private operators was just one more reason to vote Leave on June 23, transport union RMT said today.


Under the proposals in the EU’s so-called Fourth Railway Package, train operators would have complete access to the networks of member states to operate domestic passenger services.
The European Council had already agreed that mandatory competitive tendering should be the main way of awarding public service contracts.
RMT general secretary Mick Cash said that the failed Tory privatisation of rail over twenty years ago using EU directive 91/440 was now being imposed on 500 million people by EU diktat without a mandate.
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The 'market pillar', which was adopted in December 2016, includes:
•Regulation (EU) 2016/2338 amending Regulation (EU) 1370/2007, which deals with the award of public service contracts for domestic passenger transport services by rail ('PSO Regulation')
•Directive 2016/2370/EU amending Directive 2012/34/EU, which deals with the opening of the market of domestic passenger transport services by rail and the governance of the railway infrastructure ('Governance Directive')
•Regulation (EU) 2016/2337 repealing Regulation (EEC) 1192/69 on the normalisation of the accounts of railway undertakings


The market pillar will complete the process of gradual market opening started with the 1st railway package. It establishes the general right for railway undertakings established in one Member State to operate all types of passenger services everywhere in the EU, lays down rules aimed at improving impartiality in the governance of railway infrastructure and preventing discrimination and introduces the principle of mandatory tendering for public service contracts in rail. Competition in rail passenger service markets will encourage railway operators to become more responsive to customer needs, improve the quality of their services and their cost-effectiveness. The competitive tendering of public service contracts will enable savings of public money. The market pillar is expected to deliver more choice and better quality of rail services for European citizens, these being the overriding objectives.
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Thats not banning public ownership is it.
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no, but it does mean that governments wishing to have state owned railways would have to outbid any private company that will be free to tender under the 4th EU rail directive. Brexit frees us from this mandatory competitive tendering.
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no, but it does mean that governments wishing to have state owned railways would have to outbid any private company that will be free to tender under the 4th EU rail directive. Brexit frees us from this mandatory competitive tendering.
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EU heading for Federalism....meaning control from a central Government....such things as foreign affairs....laws, defence etc.....decisions taken away from individual states and told how to proceed in the future....meaning toothless ability to decide your own future paths.....ending up as suffocation of individual states.

We will just get out in time.....and if we have no deal....then so be it.....countries like Italy are now being told by EU's central government to rethink their budget....or get in line your rocking the boat.

Two tier system will develop and poorer countries will be in the second tier with less authority to govern themselves.
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The compulsory tendering for inter island ferries here in Scotland is a feckin disasterous waste of money that's for sure.

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All irrelevant if Westminster don't want nationalised utilities. I bet the Donald is licking his lips. A lot of right wing populists stealing of socialist clothes going on as usual. They won't deliver anything but war.
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zyph wrote:
EU heading for Federalism....meaning control from a central Government....such things as foreign affairs....laws, defence etc.....decisions taken away from individual states and told how to proceed in the future....meaning toothless ability to decide your own future paths.....ending up as suffocation of individual states.

We will just get out in time.....and if we have no deal....then so be it.....countries like Italy are now being told by EU's central government to rethink their budget....or get in line your rocking the boat.

Two tier system will develop and poorer countries will be in the second tier with less authority to govern themselves.

Yet despite all this no one else is planning on leaving. scratch

I wouldn't get too excited by a no deal either, much as I am sure you would like to see your neck of the woods turning into a massive lorry park. As the national audit office reported we are utterly unprepared for it, so I suspect we'll meander along in a Norway + Customs Union arrangement indefinately because we haven't got a clue what to do about the Irish border and a number of countries are already threatening to reject our post brexit WTO plans.

Funny how it was sold as a chance to trade with countries that were blocked off by our membership of the EU (which they weren't) and now those countries are basically holding us to ransom.

What a mess.

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Others maybe waiting to see how the UK get on first.

Some other smaller States without the clout of the UK would struggle to get any deal at all.
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There is no appetite anywhere to leave the EU, not even Italy, and I don't think you seem to have grasped that after 2 years of posturing we don't have a deal despite all our "clout".
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