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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Tue 17 Jan - 18:02:07

Sound like a shit Human Being, aswell as a shit footballer, get rid quickly would be my advice.
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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Tue 17 Jan - 19:04:11

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maybe that bloke from torquay was a pre reaction to this ruling

No we got two strikers out who have had long term injuries and needed more firepower upfront given goodwillie doesnt score bar last saturday and garitta is injury prone, rooney doesnt get a look in and slew and jervis are far better on the wings. if goodwillie goes we should replace him or finally give rooney a break while Spencer and Brunt return.

Hopefully from what I've seen and heard about him, He's not to shabby, its a sticky situation with David, its not a criminal matter so no idea what will happen
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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Tue 17 Jan - 21:03:03

Although everyone thought Goodwillie was shit, I saw the occasional touch or pass which suggested he was a pretty good player possibly wasted in a shit 4th division club. Or he might just be shit.

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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Tue 17 Jan - 21:05:24

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Although everyone thought Goodwillie was shit, I saw the occasional touch or pass which suggested he was a pretty good player possibly wasted in a shit 4th division club. Or he might just be shit.

Injuries hampered him when he was young and i dont thnk that idiot wo was Blackburn manager at the time hyping him as the new Rooney helped him.

if he stays i feel he would be better suit as a Attacking Midfielder behind the striker.
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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Tue 17 Jan - 21:13:38

Hugh Watt wrote:
Although everyone thought Goodwillie was shit, I saw the occasional touch or pass which suggested he was a pretty good player possibly wasted in a shit 4th division club. Or he might just be shit.

Sounds like he's the new Steve Maclean.  Can't wait for him to kick the dugout.
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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Tue 17 Jan - 21:23:59

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Although everyone thought Goodwillie was shit, I saw the occasional touch or pass which suggested he was a pretty good player possibly wasted in a shit 4th division club. Or he might just be shit.
thats what I mean hes shit but shows the occasional touch of class , hes not good enough to be a forward even for us, Attack midfield yeah, but its a shame his career looks to be over,
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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Wed 18 Jan - 8:40:51

Heard Brent on Radio five at half seven this morning. He was asked about the court case.
Brent said the club had released a statement drafted by himself stating Goodwillie will not play again pending the board reading the ninety eight page court report.
So there we are a clear statement for once from Lord jim.
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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Wed 18 Jan - 11:45:05

Lets hope he doesn't give it to the AFT chair to read and assess or Goodwillie will be retired before anything is decided and a statement released! clown

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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Wed 18 Jan - 17:22:42

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Heard Brent on Radio five at half seven this morning. He was asked about the court case.
Brent said the club had released a statement drafted by himself stating Goodwillie will not play again pending the board reading the ninety eight page court report.
So there we are a clear statement for once from Lord jim.




You can just see Argyle getting rid of him eventually because of this, but deep down i have no idea as to what the club will do.

It was Sheridan that brought back McCormick and Brent gave him a second chance and what he did was far worse.

If they do get rid of Goodwillie, people will say ''well, you have got McCormick'' and if they keep Goodwillie, people will say ''you have retained a player who did this and that''.

It really is a tough call for Argyle.


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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Wed 18 Jan - 18:01:16

Is a big call by the club, given there was a large article about the case in the guardian today.
The media will be watching carefully particularly given Mc Cormicks history.
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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Mon 23 Jan - 5:15:29

Doesn't look too good, looks like they tried to pervert the course of justice if that's such a thing in the civil courts , Or she's milking it for as much as possible, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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wonder how many pages into the ruling the club are...
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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Mon 23 Jan - 10:18:39

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Doesn't look too good, looks like they tried to pervert the course of justice if that's such a thing in the civil courts , Or she's milking it for as much as possible, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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wonder how many pages into the ruling the club are...

Its a dodgy case and one that needs reviewing as how can a judge rule someone a rapist in a civil court yet at the sametime says there isnt enough evidence to go to criminal court. Either he is or he isnt and only that can be determined in a criminal court.

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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Mon 23 Jan - 10:26:55

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Doesn't look too good, looks like they tried to pervert the course of justice if that's such a thing in the civil courts , Or she's milking it for as much as possible, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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wonder how many pages into the ruling the club are...

Its a dodgy case and one that needs reviewing as how can a judge rule someone a rapist in a civil court yet at the sametime says there isnt enough evidence to go to criminal court. Either he is or he isnt and only that can be determined in a criminal court.


Yes it kinda makes the CPS job completely redundant. If they say there is insufficient evidence to prosecute than that is it.
Opens up a right can of worms with Gold diggers quite able to make any bullshit up the CPS declines to prosecute so she uses the Goodwillie precedent (if it is one) to take it straight to a civil court where £££ await rather than receiving nothing in hard cash but the offender locked up

Look at it another way. If someone wronged you which would you take. Offender banged up for a stretch or £100,000 instead......aint too many that will go for the former
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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Mon 23 Jan - 10:33:01

Angry wrote:
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Doesn't look too good, looks like they tried to pervert the course of justice if that's such a thing in the civil courts , Or she's milking it for as much as possible, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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wonder how many pages into the ruling the club are...

Its a dodgy case and one that needs reviewing as how can a judge rule someone a rapist in a civil court yet at the sametime says there isnt enough evidence to go to criminal court. Either he is or he isnt and only that can be determined in a criminal court.


The burden of proof is far lower in a civil court. To secure a criminal conviction the jury has to be convinced beyond reasonable doubt, its why so mnay rapists walk free. In a Civil action the judge can make judgement on the balance of probabilities. Take the John Terry case, he obviously said something racist, but it could be proven beyond all reasonable doubt, the FA didn't have that burden so could find him guilty on their own terms.


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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Mon 23 Jan - 10:36:54

harvetheslayer wrote:
Angry wrote:
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Doesn't look too good, looks like they tried to pervert the course of justice if that's such a thing in the civil courts , Or she's milking it for as much as possible, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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wonder how many pages into the ruling the club are...

Its a dodgy case and one that needs reviewing as how can a judge rule someone a rapist in a civil court yet at the sametime says there isnt enough evidence to go to criminal court. Either he is or he isnt and only that can be determined in a criminal court.


Yes it kinda makes the CPS job completely redundant. If they say there is insufficient evidence to prosecute than that is it.
Opens up a right can of worms with Gold diggers quite able to make any bullshit up the CPS declines to prosecute so she uses the Goodwillie precedent (if it is one) to take it straight to a civil court where £££ await rather than receiving nothing in hard cash but the offender locked up

Look at it another way. If someone wronged you which would you take. Offender banged up for a stretch or £100,000 instead......aint too many that will go for the former

That is why the whole Suspending Goodwillie thing, is a bit weird, He's not criminally convicted, But it seems no matter what He does, he will be pursued for all people can get, Not condoning actions how can we as we have Luke in the team, but both David (guilty or not guilty) and Luke are both trying to rebuild their careers can see why Goodwillie moved down here to try get away from it all,
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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Mon 23 Jan - 14:57:44

Well thats one retired due to the ruling argyle to issue statement in next few days
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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Wed 25 Jan - 13:48:41

Has left the club 'by mutual agreement'.
Club have just issued a short and sweet statement.
Which begs the question. Surely they knew about this case that was pending when he signed in the summer. So why the feck did we bother in the first place. He really set the world on fire with his performances. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Wed 25 Jan - 14:46:00

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Has left the club 'by mutual agreement'.
Club have just issued a short and sweet statement.
Which begs the question. Surely they knew about this case that was pending when he signed in the summer. So why the feck did we bother in the first place. He really set the world on fire with his performances. Rolling Eyes

They would have known about it. i guess having a branded rapist at the club while at the same time have an actual convicted drink driver who killed two kids is too much for PR to hush up.

He is no loss really. perhaps now is the time Rooney can step up and take his spot and challenge Garrita and Blissett while Brunt and Spencer are recovering from injuries.
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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Wed 25 Jan - 14:53:17

I'd like him to be replaced with somebody who has some semblance of a goal scoring record.

But then I realise that this is Brent's Argyle and that may require a dip into the unbudgeted income, and that'll never do.
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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Wed 25 Jan - 15:08:37

We do need someone to come in who's capable of hitting the back of the net, we can just add goodwillie to the West, Mpenza, McLean list then.
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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Wed 25 Jan - 15:53:12

Think its best all round that he's left performances were utter shit hopefully it frees up 5k they were paying him towards someone who actually can score
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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Wed 25 Jan - 16:44:14

A good decision from the club. Not the sort that I would want hanging around, for all manner of reasons. McCormick is a different case, and rehabilitation of offenders must be a part of our society. He has admitted guilt and served his sentence with due contrition. No such contrition from these characters. Scottish law is eons ahead of us neanderthals south of the border.
Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment is always a good read if any of us want to re acquaint ourselves with the whole subject, and personal/social process. Heavy stuff. Wouldn't want to be a judge.
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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Wed 25 Jan - 17:05:51

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A good decision from the club. Not the sort that I would want hanging around, for all manner of reasons. McCormick is a different case, and rehabilitation of offenders must be a part of our society. He has admitted guilt and served his sentence with due contrition. No such contrition from these characters. Scottish law is eons ahead of us neanderthals south of the border.
Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment is always a good read if any of us want to re acquaint ourselves with the whole subject, and personal/social process. Heavy stuff. Wouldn't want to be a judge.

if anything McCormick tarnishes this club more than goodwillie may have done. McCormick's crime was by far alot worse. Scotland can go feck itself for all i care especially on this burns night.
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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Wed 25 Jan - 17:06:46

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PostSubject: Re: Goodwillie Court case.   Wed 25 Jan - 17:18:25

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Scotland can go feck itself for all i care especially on this burns night.


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