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PostSubject: Re: James Brent appoints a fan's rep   Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:46 pm

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Let it not be said that Brent is petty or harbors a grudge........
The AFT know this only too well.
Then get your spin doctors to say that the AFT decided to stop talking to the club, repeat a couple of times, BINGO! there's your fact!
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PostSubject: Re: James Brent appoints a fan's rep   Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:47 pm

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Engaging with supporters is one of the aims of the Sports Grounds Safety Authority who are responsible for stadium safety for sports grounds. Indeed, as far back as the Taylor Report consultation with supporter representatives was a recommendation.  Local Authorities are now actively encouraged to consult representatives of a recognised supporters' group where possible including attendance at SAG meetings if it were considered beneficial. PCC intended to move along this route.

The AFT were asked by PCC , through me, if they wanted to be represented. The AFT agreed my co-option to fulfill the role a while back and pre- the 'Never Again' campaign. I informed PCC of that decision only to be informed the Club had offered the suggestion of an alternative supporter 'group' to be represented. In a discussion with James Brent (on the 'Never Again' issues) that decision was confirmed to me. It is for the Club to say which group is representative. I did offer to work alongside that representative without success.

I understand there is an aspiration by PCC for the SAG meetings to be minuted and be publicly available like other PCC Committees. Other Local Authorities do it so why not PCC?

As far as I am concerned the matter is closed and the opportunity has been lost to build bridges between the Football Club and the largest elected supporter group.

If I may....  Do you know who the club representative is?

Do you know if it was the club or the rep who declined your offer of participation?

...and may I say...  This decision by Brent, once again proves he makes horrendous ones.
I'm betting on a member of the GT's.
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PostSubject: Re: James Brent appoints a fan's rep   Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:51 pm

if brent's choosen him then he must be a "real fan"
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PostSubject: Re: James Brent appoints a fan's rep   Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:13 pm

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PatDunne wrote:
Let it not be said that Brent is petty or harbors a grudge........
The AFT know this only too well.
Then get your spin doctors to say that the AFT decided to stop talking to the club, repeat a couple of times, BINGO! there's your fact!


I'm pretty certain that it was the AFT themselves who declared that they had decided to stop talking to the club, which I remember questioning at the time as being hard to believe.
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PostSubject: Re: James Brent appoints a fan's rep   Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:15 pm

As its concerning safety within the ground, the only possible alternative that would be acceptable would be someone from PADSA. Even then, there should still have been consultation with the AFT. Y'know, to keep with the honesty, openness, transparency thing that Brent was so keen on...once upon a time.
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PostSubject: Re: James Brent appoints a fan's rep   Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:16 pm

Les Miserable wrote:
BBC1 wrote:
PatDunne wrote:
Let it not be said that Brent is petty or harbors a grudge........
The AFT know this only too well.
Then get your spin doctors to say that the AFT decided to stop talking to the club, repeat a couple of times, BINGO! there's your fact!


I'm pretty certain that it was the AFT themselves who declared that they had decided to stop talking to the club, which I remember questioning at the time as being hard to believe.
Nope. Mr Brent told Mr Starnes to tell the AFT that they were no longer going to have their monthly meetings.
And while they were at it, remove their stuff from the Devonport storage facility.
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PostSubject: Re: James Brent appoints a fan's rep   Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:32 pm

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Les Miserable wrote:
BBC1 wrote:
PatDunne wrote:
Let it not be said that Brent is petty or harbors a grudge........
The AFT know this only too well.
Then get your spin doctors to say that the AFT decided to stop talking to the club, repeat a couple of times, BINGO! there's your fact!


I'm pretty certain that it was the AFT themselves who declared that they had decided to stop talking to the club, which I remember questioning at the time as being hard to believe.
Nope. Mr Brent told Mr Starnes to tell the AFT that they were no longer going to have their monthly meetings.
And while they were at it, remove their stuff from the Devonport storage facility.


Eh, Yep...

AFT Chairman’s Report # 12

On behalf of our one thousand paid up members the elected Board of the Argyle Fans’ Trust were disappointed, when at the end of last season, James Brent refused any further meetings at board level with our Chairman. We were informed that this was as a result of the AFT securing Asset of Community Value status for Home Park and Higher Home Park. This does not prevent Mr. Brent from taking up his option to buy the club later this year for approximately one and a half million pounds, but would mean that any future sale would have to be transparent, with proposed details shared with the AFT and the wider fan base. Transparency was indeed something that James Brent promised the fans when he first took over the club.

The AFT gave PAFC twelve months notice of our intention to apply for ACV status and were told repeatedly from the start that it was not a major issue. Argyle, like over twenty other grounds such as Anfield, Torquay and St. James Park Newcastle, now have this protection. Indeed every club in this country has a Fans’ Trust which tries to work constructively with the owners for the benefit of the supporters. Over the last eighteen months the AFT have bent over backwards to do this via a number of initiatives.

Since Mr. Brent’s decision at the end of April, the club have reconsidered and we since been granted leave to have four meetings a year with the CEO, Martyn Starnes, but have been told that Mr. Brent does not like the AFT ‘holding the club to account’. We strongly feel that the AFT have been resolute in acting as ‘a critical friend’ to PAFC, bringing issues raised by our members and the wider Argyle community to the attention of the board. We have walked a difficult tightrope, upsetting our own members at times for not being seen to challenge the club sufficiently, while upsetting the Argyle Board with some of the issues we have raised.

The AFT were happy last season to provide an article in each match day programme. That consent has this season been withdrawn by the club. Additionally we have been asked to return the keys we have to the storage area previously provided for AFT equipment and told we now require an official pass.

Having established a good track record of working with the club and on behalf of the fans, the AFT Board are both shocked and amazed at Mr. Brent’s actions. This development is all the more disappointing following the appointment of Simon Hallett as a new director who claims to want greater fan participation in our club.

It is therefore with sadness that the Board of the AFT is now withdrawing from any further dialogue with the Board of PAFC while it fails to recognise the need for an open and honest discourse with the democratically elected fans’ representatives. Meanwhile the AFT will continue to campaign both on behalf of its members and the wider Argyle family in the hope that we:
• Can see real investment in our first team squad when it is needed this season
• Decent catering facilities for both home and away fans
• A replacement grandstand that is fit for purpose
• A greater transparency in the way the club is run
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PostSubject: Re: James Brent appoints a fan's rep   Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:42 pm

Les Miserable wrote:
BBC1 wrote:
Les Miserable wrote:
BBC1 wrote:
PatDunne wrote:
Let it not be said that Brent is petty or harbors a grudge........
The AFT know this only too well.
Then get your spin doctors to say that the AFT decided to stop talking to the club, repeat a couple of times, BINGO! there's your fact!


I'm pretty certain that it was the AFT themselves who declared that they had decided to stop talking to the club, which I remember questioning at the time as being hard to believe.
Nope. Mr Brent told Mr Starnes to tell the AFT that they were no longer going to have their monthly meetings.
And while they were at it, remove their stuff from the Devonport storage facility.


Eh, Yep...

AFT Chairman’s Report # 12

On behalf of our one thousand paid up members the elected Board of the Argyle Fans’ Trust were disappointed, when at the end of last season, James Brent refused any further meetings at board level with our Chairman. We were informed that this was as a result of the AFT securing Asset of Community Value status for Home Park and Higher Home Park. This does not prevent Mr. Brent from taking up his option to buy the club later this year for approximately one and a half million pounds, but would mean that any future sale would have to be transparent, with proposed details shared with the AFT and the wider fan base. Transparency was indeed something that James Brent promised the fans when he first took over the club.

The AFT gave PAFC twelve months notice of our intention to apply for ACV status and were told repeatedly from the start that it was not a major issue. Argyle, like over twenty other grounds such as Anfield, Torquay and St. James Park Newcastle, now have this protection. Indeed every club in this country has a Fans’ Trust which tries to work constructively with the owners for the benefit of the supporters. Over the last eighteen months the AFT have bent over backwards to do this via a number of initiatives.

Since Mr. Brent’s decision at the end of April, the club have reconsidered and we since been granted leave to have four meetings a year with the CEO, Martyn Starnes, but have been told that Mr. Brent does not like the AFT ‘holding the club to account’. We strongly feel that the AFT have been resolute in acting as ‘a critical friend’ to PAFC, bringing issues raised by our members and the wider Argyle community to the attention of the board. We have walked a difficult tightrope, upsetting our own members at times for not being seen to challenge the club sufficiently, while upsetting the Argyle Board with some of the issues we have raised.

The AFT were happy last season to provide an article in each match day programme. That consent has this season been withdrawn by the club. Additionally we have been asked to return the keys we have to the storage area previously provided for AFT equipment and told we now require an official pass.

Having established a good track record of working with the club and on behalf of the fans, the AFT Board are both shocked and amazed at Mr. Brent’s actions. This development is all the more disappointing following the appointment of Simon Hallett as a new director who claims to want greater fan participation in our club.

It is therefore with sadness that the Board of the AFT is now withdrawing from any further dialogue with the Board of PAFC while it fails to recognise the need for an open and honest discourse with the democratically elected fans’ representatives. Meanwhile the AFT will continue to campaign both on behalf of its members and the wider Argyle family in the hope that we:
• Can see real investment in our first team squad when it is needed this season
• Decent catering facilities for both home and away fans
• A replacement grandstand that is fit for purpose
• A greater transparency in the way the club is run
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PostSubject: Re: James Brent appoints a fan's rep   Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:49 pm

Grasping at straws BBC. The AFT still had access to the Board of PAFC, If you meant Brent exclusively(which you clearly didn't) you should've clarified that, you said "the club".
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PostSubject: Re: James Brent appoints a fan's rep   Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:00 pm

Yep, they had access to Starnes but even that was being cut back.

This would be the same Starnes that has consistently misled the AFT - some might say lied - about the Far Post club. He punts nearly every question he is ever asked at the public meetings, it must be doubly frustrating dealing with him in private ones.
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PostSubject: Re: James Brent appoints a fan's rep   Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:14 pm

Les Miserable wrote:
Grasping at straws BBC. The AFT still had access to the Board of PAFC, If you meant Brent exclusively(which you clearly didn't) you should've clarified that, you said "the club".
Starnes told the AFT that the meetings with the club were finished.
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PostSubject: Re: James Brent appoints a fan's rep   Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:23 pm

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Les Miserable wrote:
Grasping at straws BBC. The AFT still had access to the Board of PAFC, If you meant Brent exclusively(which you clearly didn't) you should've clarified that, you said "the club".
Starnes told the AFT that the meetings with the club were finished.

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PostSubject: Re: James Brent appoints a fan's rep   Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:30 pm

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Grasping at straws BBC. The AFT still had access to the Board of PAFC, If you meant Brent exclusively(which you clearly didn't) you should've clarified that, you said "the club".
Starnes told the AFT that the meetings with the club were finished.

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PostSubject: Re: James Brent appoints a fan's rep   Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:40 pm

Pre contract agreement with a Championship club anyone.
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PostSubject: Re: James Brent appoints a fan's rep   Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:43 pm

Fwiw I don't doubt it for one minute and actually called it at the time, but why then, did Argyledad write this?....."It is therefore with sadness that the Board of the AFT is now withdrawing from any further dialogue with the Board of PAFC"
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PostSubject: Re: James Brent appoints a fan's rep   Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:49 pm

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